With so many Americans currently filled with anxiety about their annual tax forms, this is the time of year that many people wistfully dream about how nice it would be to have a simple and fair flat tax.
Unfortunately, there are many obstacles to better tax policy. I’ve previously addressed some of these obstacles.
1. Politicians who prefer the status quo make appeals to envy by making class-warfare arguments about imposing higher tax rates on those who contribute more to economic output.
2. Politicians have created a revenue-estimating system based on the preposterous notion that even big changes in tax policy have no impact on economic performance, thus creating a procedural barrier to reform.
3. Politicians enormously benefit from the current corrupt and complex system since they can auction off tax loopholes for campaign cash and use the tax code to reward friends and punish enemies.
Today, we’re going to look at another obstacle to pro-growth reform.
One of the main goals of tax reform is to get a low flat rate. This is important because marginal tax rates affect people’s incentives to engage in additional productive behavior.
But it’s equally important to have a system that taxes economic activity only one time. This is a big issue because the current internal revenue code imposes a heavy bias against income that is saved and invested. It’s possible, when you consider the impact of the capital gains tax, corporate income tax, double tax on dividends, and the death tax, for a single dollar of income to be taxed as many as four times.
And what makes this system so crazy is that all economic theories – even Marxism and socialism – agree that capital formation is critical for long-run growth and rising living standards.
Yet here’s the problem. The crowd in Washington has set up a system for determining tax loopholes and that system assumes that there should be this kind of double taxation!
I’m not joking. You see this approach from the Joint Committee on Taxation. You see it from the Government Accountability Office. You see it from the Congressional Budget Office. Heck, you even see Republicans mistakenly use this benchmark.
This is why I organized a briefing for Capitol Hill staffers last week. You can watch the entire hour by clicking here, but if you don’t have a lot of time, here’s my 10-minute speech on the importance of choosing the right tax base (i.e., taxing income only one time).
Since I’m an economist, I want to highlight one particular aspect on my presentation. You’ll notice near the end that I tried to explain the destructive economic impact of double taxation with an analogy.
I shared a Powerpoint slide that compared the tax system to an apple tree. If you want to tax income, the sensible approach is to pick the apples off the tree.
But if you want to mimic the current tax system, with the pervasive double taxation and bias against capital, you harvest the apples by chopping down the tree.
Needless to say (but I’ll say it anyway), it’s utterly foolish to harvest apples by chopping down the tree since it means fewer apples in following years.
In this analogy, the apples are the income and the tree is the capital.
But as I thought about the issue further, I realized my analogy was imperfect because our current system doesn’t confiscate all existing capital.
Which is why it is very fortunate that one of the interns at Cato, Jonathan Babington-Heina, is a very good artist. And he was able to take my idea and come up with a set of cartoons that accurately – and effectively – show why discriminatory taxation of capital is so misguided.
By the way, this isn’t the first time that an intern has come to my rescue with artistic skill.
My highest-viewed post of all time is this famous set of cartoons that shows the dangerous evolution of the welfare state.
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People who claim that tax rates should be progressive neglect the fact that if you take too much money out of the private sector that will be a disincentive to create jobs. Liberals’ views on the topic of economics is naive.
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[…] advice is that Republicans abandon the border-adjustable provision and focus on lowering tax rates, reducing double taxation, and cutting back on loopholes. Such ideas are economically sounder and politically […]
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[…] keep in mind that these calculations don’t measure the tax bias against saving and investment, so the tax burden on some upper-income taxpayers may be higher or lower depending on the degree to […]
[…] advice is that Republicans abandon the border-adjustable provision and focus on lowering tax rates, reducing double taxation, and cutting back on loopholes. Such ideas are economically sounder and politically […]
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[…] did great work as a member of Congress to push a supply-side agenda of low marginal tax rates and less double taxation. Indeed, it’s no exaggeration to say that the Reagan tax cuts were made possible by […]
[…] part, my support for fundamental reform is driven by my desire for a low rate, for no double taxation, and for the elimination of loopholes. Those are the economic reasons for […]
[…] fondness for some of the visuals I’ve created over the years (especially “two wagons” and “apple harvesting“), I confess that none of my creations have ever been as clear and convincing as the iconic graph […]
[…] “consumption-base” taxation, and they favor reforms such as the flat tax that eliminate the tax code’s bias against saving and investment. These people want to eliminate double taxation because a bigger capital stock will mean a more […]
[…] discourage – things that everyone presumably agrees are desirable (such as work, saving, investment, and […]
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[…] to what Republicans are trying to accomplish, particularly their desire to eliminate the tax bias against income that is saved and invested. But I greatly prefer the version of consumption-base taxation found in the flat […]
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[…] Retour à la réalité : les experts du CFRB ont raison. Une petite augmentation des impôts n’handicapera pas la croissance. En effet, il est même possible qu’une augmentation des impôts puisse générer plus de croissance si cette augmentation est liée à des politiques pro-croissance dans d’autres domaines. C’est exactement ce qu’il s’est passé pendant les années Clinton. Toutefois, revenons plutôt à la réalité. Toute augmentation d’impôts non triviale impactant la productivité aura des effets négatifs sur les performances économiques et la compétitivité. Sur ce point, les deux arguments suivants sont écrasants : les taux d’imposition plus élevés affaiblissent la croissance et l’augmentation de la double taxation nuit à l’économie. […]
[…] I argue for the flat tax, I tend to focus on the economic benefits (low rate, no double taxation, and no loopholes) and the moral benefits (less corruption, more fairness, and better […]
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[…] point surtax on taxpayers earning more than €12,000 annually (the government also wants to expand double taxation, which also is contrary to the tax-income-only-once principle of a pure flat […]
[…] the maximum extent possible, reduce the tax bias against saving and […]
[…] the maximum extent possible, reduce the tax bias against saving and […]
[…] death tax is odious in part because it is a pure (in a bad sense) form of double taxation, but it also is bad because the government shouldn’t be imposing double taxation simply […]
[…] the impact of less double taxation should boost economic performance, even if only by a modest amount, and that will benefit everyone […]
[…] harvesting apples by cutting down 40 percent of the trees in an orchard. The net result is that the economy’s ability to generate future income is […]
[…] the burden on income that is saved and invested is even higher because of double taxation, which is especially destructive since all economic theories – including Marxism and […]
[…] Based on the title of this column, you may think I’m going to write about oppressive IRS behavior or punitive tax policy. […]
[…] and they will unabashedly argue that it’s okay to have higher tax rates on labor income and more double taxation on capital income because taxpayers supposedly don’t care about […]
[…] never been a compelling argument to me. If Paris Hilton’s family earned money honestly (and already paid tax on the money when it was first earned), it’s their right to give it to their children without all sorts of […]
[…] And a VAT also is bad for the economy because it drives a wedge between pre-tax income and post-tax consumption. Which is exactly the same argument against payroll taxes and income taxes on wages and salaries. The only accurate argument he could make is that VATs don’t do as much damage, per dollar raised, as income tax systems that include double taxation of saving and investment. […]
[…] is it the loss of economic output caused by high tax rates, distorting preferences, and pervasive double taxation (i.e., policies that reduce our pre-tax […]
[…] it’s also foolish to punish the people who are pulling the wagon with high tax rates and pervasive double taxation of income that is saved and […]
[…] it’s also foolish to punish the people who are pulling the wagon with high tax rates and pervasive double taxation of income that is saved and […]
[…] tax, which is a very unfortunate and destructive imposition, the Swiss avoid many other forms of double taxation on income that is saved and […]
[…] income tax rates and the U.S. gets a greater share of revenue from upper-income taxpayers with double taxation on interest, dividends, and capital gains (we also have a very punitive corporate tax system, […]
[…] income tax rates and the U.S. gets a greater share of revenue from upper-income taxpayers with double taxation on interest, dividends, and capital gains (we also have a very punitive corporate tax system, […]
[…] double taxation – It is foolish to penalize capital formation (and thereby wages) by imposing extra layers of tax on income that is saved and […]
Nedlandp, in my opinion, capital gains taxes should be eliminated. Double taxation is an economically destructive thing.
[…] the OECD Protocol to the Multilateral Convention is based on the notion that there should be pervasive double taxation of income that is saved and invested, and that these taxes should be levied on an extraterritorial […]
The flat tax that Rick Santorum proposed, his 20/20 tax plan, where all income is treated the same has some merit. However, flat tax critics do have legitimate concerns about how low income families would be affected. By the same token, if all income was treated the same, it could be argued that wealthy people would not be able to get out of paying their fair share in taxes.
[…] Lessons about double taxation and harvesting apples. […]
[…] the tax bias against capital formation will improve growth by increasing saving and […]
[…] the tax bias against capital formation will improve growth by increasing saving and […]
[…] the tax bias against capital formation will improve growth by increasing saving and […]
[…] And there also will be more double taxation. […]
[…] And there also will be more double taxation. […]
[…] That being said, it’s a very positive sign that the state legislature wants to get rid of this invidious tax, which is a punitive form of double taxation. […]
[…] Pervasive double taxation on income that is saved and invested. […]
[…] advocates of a VAT generally will admit this is correct, but then resort to making a (correct) argument against double taxation. But why take the risk of a VAT when there are very simple and safe ways to eliminate the tax bias […]
[…] Pervasive double taxation on income that is saved and invested. […]
[…] Pervasive double taxation on income that is saved and invested. […]
[…] I put money in a 401(k), which actually is a good part of the code since it means some savings is protected from double taxation. […]
[…] I often explain, for instance, that the best way to “hurt” tax havens is for onshore countries to have lower tax rates and less double taxation. […]
[…] I often explain, for instance, that the best way to “hurt” tax havens is for onshore countries to have lower tax rates and less double taxation. […]
[…] I often explain, for instance, that the best way to “hurt” tax havens is for onshore countries to have lower tax rates and less double taxation. […]
[…] People with cross-border investments use structures designed by providers such as Mossack Fonseca to facilitate the productive allocation of their capital. […]
[…] should be double taxed on income that is saved and invested, so my mind tells me that the right approach is to give all taxpayers the treatment now reserved […]
[…] that greater enforcement may not be a wise option if the underlying tax law (such as the code’s harsh bias against income that is saved and invested) is overly […]
[…] I want to address the argument that supply-side tax policy (i.e., lower marginal tax rates, less tax bias against saving and investment) is no longer important or […]
[…] The apple tree and the downside of double taxation. […]
[…] tax. It’s basically about as close to a pure flat tax as anyplace in the world. There is zero double taxation of income that is saved and […]
[…] tax. It’s basically about as close to a pure flat tax as anyplace in the world. There is zero double taxation of income that is saved and […]
[…] The apple tree and the downside of double taxation. […]
[…] tax. It’s basically about as close to a pure flat tax as anyplace in the world. There is zero double taxation of income that is saved and […]
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Stock holders own a company. Through their ownership, they provide the infrastructure to earn profits. Those profits are first taxed as corporate profits. The question is should after-tax profits be taxed again when distributed as dividends? Or, if those after-tax profits are retained and the value of the company goes up should stock holders be taxed again based on increased value?
Certainly sounds like they are being taxed twice.
While speculators involved in short sales, derivatives, or high speed trading do provide a market function; I agree these might be cases where capital gains taxes are justified.
Bullshit, taxing capital gains isn’t double taxation – it’s taxing a source of income, which should be treated equally as any regular source i.e. a job. One is using one’s work to make money, the other is using one’s money to make money. If we follow your logic, then any retail store is in an infinite taxation loop, since they sell something, pay sales tax on it, use the leftover money to buy more stuff and sell that, and pay sales tax on it again, ad infinitum!
[…] Second, all pro-growth tax reform plans tax income only one time, either when earned or when spent, which means those plans all are consumption-base taxes in the jargon of public finance economists. Which is also just another way of saying that these tax plans get rid of double taxation. […]
[…] apple tree and the downside of double […]
[…] Second, all pro-growth tax reform plans tax income only one time, either when earned or when spent, which means those plans all are consumption-base taxes in the jargon of public finance economists. Which is also just another way of saying that these tax plans get rid of double taxation. […]
[…] apple tree and the downside of double […]
Your chart is incomplete. It lacks all the taxes that are passed from the manufacturer, distributor, and retailer to the consumer who buys that big screen TV, not even taking into account any sales taxes.
[…] apple tree and the downside of double […]
[…] economic argument is about lowering tax rates, eliminating double taxation, and getting rid of distorting tax […]
[…] economic argument is about lowering tax rates, eliminating double taxation, and getting rid of distorting tax […]
[…] tax. Even though he wants a VAT for good reasons (to finance lower tax rates and also to reduce the tax bias against saving and investment), my fear is that the statists will say yes, then quickly use the VAT to finance a big expansion of […]
[…] plans. On paper, both plans are very good, dramatically lowering income tax rates, significantly curtailing double taxation, and also abolishing the corporate income tax. But I don’t like that they both propose a VAT […]
[…] the way, the reporter goofed. Carson is proposing to end double taxation of dividends and capital gains, but all income would be taxed. What the reporter should have explained is that capital and […]
[…] the way, the reporter goofed. Carson is proposing to end double taxation of dividends and capital gains, but all income would be taxed. What the reporter should have explained is that capital and […]
[…] the way, the reporter goofed. Carson is proposing to end double taxation of dividends and capital gains, but all income would be taxed. What the reporter should have explained is that capital and […]
[…] This is why I keep sharing this chart showing that double taxation hurts […]
[…] This is why I keep sharing this chart showing that double taxation hurts […]
[…] tax system and replace it with a simple and fair flat tax, which would mean a low tax rate, no double taxation, and no corrupt and distorting tax […]
[…] bad for growth because they penalize people for earning income. They also generally understand that double taxation of saving and investment is bad for growth because it creates a bias against capital formation. But there’s not nearly enough […]
[…] and Ted Cruz, for instance, both have proposals that would lower personal-income-tax rates, reduce double taxation of income that is saved and invested, and eliminate corporate income taxes and payroll taxes. […]
[…] a big fan of the flat tax because a low tax rate and no double taxation will result in faster growth and more upward […]
[…] third-party payer is misguided? And why should people be concerned about high marginal tax rates or double taxation? Or Obamacare subsidies? Or unemployment […]
[…] of lower rates and supporters of targeted credits at least agree on the importance of reducing double taxation and also want to address non-fiscal impediments to […]
[…] of lower rates and supporters of targeted credits at least agree on the importance of reducing double taxation and also want to address non-fiscal impediments to […]
[…] the government no longer would be imposing harsh penalties on productive behavior. Major forms of double taxation such as the death tax would be abolished, creating a much better environment for wage-boosting […]
[…] My first instinct, when arguing against higher taxes, is to pontificate about the negative impact of high marginal tax rates and punitive effect of double taxation on saving and investment. […]
[…] boost the top rate “only” to 56 percent, but only by also dramatically increasing the double taxation of dividends and capital […]
[…] I have lots of economic arguments for fundamental tax reform and I can wax poetic about the harm of high tax rates and double taxation of saving and investment. […]
[…] Double taxation of income that is saved and invested, reducing capital formation and wages. […]
[…] ways, all these candidate have put forth relatively detailed proposals that address high tax rates, punitive double taxation, and distorting tax […]
[…] as “sins of omission” since many of these provisions in the tax code – such as double taxation, the tax bias against business investment, and tax preferences – should be […]
[…] is overwhelming that higher tax rates hurt growth and the evidence is also overwhelming that more double taxation will harm the […]
[…] This is the second cartoon from Jonathan I’ve shared. He also put together a superb cartoon that depicts the senseless damage caused by double […]
[…] And this means Estonia’s flat tax is far better for growth than America’s system, which suffers from pervasive and destructive double taxation. […]
[…] economic results from repealing the tax hikes in Obamacare, especially the ones that exacerbate the tax code’s bias against saving and […]
[…] would still be some double taxation of dividends, capital gains, and interest, though the destructive impact of that policy would be mitigated because of the low 14.5 percent […]
[…] would still be some double taxation of dividends, capital gains, and interest, though the destructive impact of that policy would be mitigated because of the low 14.5 percent […]
[…] to say, I appreciate the argument about double taxation. That’s the obvious economic argument against the death […]
[…] I particularly like the part about the capital gains tax. It’s a good way of illustrating double taxation. […]
[…] are the people who get hit hardest by the tax system, though I’ve never understood why financing tomorrow’s growth is a […]
[…] will be less saving and investment, which translates into lower wages and salaries for ordinary […]
“higher tax rates on those who contribute more to economic output” (26%) vs. higher tax rates on those who labor more (31%) per CBO.
A far better system would be a flat 26% on income or a flat 8% on income and 2% net wealth tax (excluding $500,000 in tax free savings). If rich and poor, investor and laborer have the same optional wealth tax it is the conservative ideal.
[…] the risk of oversimplifying, the AEI folks decided that it was very important to solve the problem of double taxation and not so important to deal with the problem of a discriminatory and punitive rate structure. […]
[…] no double taxation, so no more bias against saving and […]
[…] act as if they don’t understand the importance of saving and investment. Or, based on the policies we get from Washington, maybe they simply don’t care about the well-being of workers, savers, and […]
[…] what did the IMF recommend? A flat tax? Elimination of certain taxes? Reductions in double taxation? Lowering the overall tax […]
[…] stop imposing punitive taxes, particularly on the investors and entrepreneurs that are willing to put capital at risk to create jobs and wealth for the rest of […]
[…] means that it doesn’t make sense to have policies that penalize either saving and investment or […]
[…] and death tax are all abolished. Shifting to a system that taxes economic activity only one time will boost capital formation, thus facilitating an increase in productivity and […]
[…] This is a helpful way of thinking about growth since it becomes easier to understand why certain policies are bad (such as redistribution programs that discourage labor supply) and other policies are good (reducing double taxation to encourage more saving and investment). […]
[…] politicians presumably benefit since they get more money to spend. Yes, it’s true that the tax discourages capital formation and may actually lose revenue in the long run, but politicians aren’t exactly famous for […]
[…] this is why Obama’s policies are so poisonous. His tax policy is very anti-saving and anti-investment. And the increases in the regulatory burden also make it less attractive for investors and […]
Dan,
The link to the longer video is broken.
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The biggest impediment to conversion to a flat tax is the elimination of double taxation on wealth.
The way to eliminate these objections is a one time “painless tax”.
A painless tax would occur at the current capital gains rate, the day before all such taxes are eliminated, based on all accumulated gains.
Why would this be painless? Stock prices will go up by more than the amount of the tax, unless the stock is no cost founder’s stock. This would also apply to non-Roth pension funds.
For example, if a stock is priced at $80, with the capital gains tax rate 20%, the stock is priced at 80% of its potential value, with no tax. In anticipation of the stock rising to full value, or $100, the one time capital gain on appreciation will be less than $20. A further way to make this painless is to allow payment in the form of reduced Social Security payments. Only those with capital gains of more than $1,000,000 would have out-of-pocket tax bills.
I’m no fan of taxes, but if we want to unleash the full power of capitalism we must deal with the politics of “eliminating taxes on the rich”. Without this one-time tax, we will never get a flat tax or eliminate wealth taxes.
This is the sorry state of the people who threw English tea into Boston harbor. They could have bypassed all the bloody wars and stayed with the European cultural norms they are now so eager to re-join.
A major parameter is missing:
Voters have elected the politicians that created and imposed these laws.
And,
To the voter-lemming, a redistribution dollar today is worth five perpetually compounding growth dollars in the future.
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That is why the developed democracy that continues to keep up with world average growth is so rare. The standard pattern is for these developed democracies to slump in slow growth and recycle themselves into the world average. It all happens at the polling booth.
But some, very few, electorates escape this natural tendency and form the next successful evolutional branch of human prosperity. The trick is to find these few nations in advance. Those very few electorates that do not step on the ubiquitous banana peel. For a while Americans seemed such an electorate. But they now seem to be converging towards the world cultural norm at unstoppable speed.
With growth well below the world average, nothing is sustainable. Your culture, nation, ideals, morals, all go down into oblivion. Surpassed, forgotten.
I’m afraid you missed a couple of layers of taxation/ fees (Fees are taxes disguised as fines. If I buy the flat screen, I have to pay sales tax. If I buy something else- say a car, in addition, I have to pay registration, and ultimately fines for its use (yes, I speed sometimes). And that’s not considering that both the flat screen and vehicle are already loaded with items and features forced into position by regulatory burden to protect me, others and the environment whether I want them or not. And if I buy land for instance- they hit me with property taxes, and can even take it away for their own use, or fine me if I use it “improperly”. And anything else I might purchase can be shown to have up to four layers of additional government-mandated expenses associated that are essentially hidden taxes. If I invest my earnings into a business, it really hits me. I think you see my point.
If old money is used to pay a mortgage, those dollars are taxed a fifth time.
Taxes are theft. Usually crooks are imprisoned and punished. I strongly encourage that reward for all politicians.
Governments are corporate entities. If after 230 years they have not figured out how to make a profit, they should be shut down. That is the marketplace at its penultimate.
We need a Constitutional amendment that allows two votes: (1) Citizens to vote “no confidence” in any government body, for a reason or no reason at all; (2) Voters to be able to choose “none of the above” for any elected office (particularly when the choice is limited to only party affiliated candidates which is no choice at all).
Anyway you cut it, Politicians are destroying the USA and the American way of life. Any other policy argument is merely obfuscation of the truth. Vote the bastards out. ©2015
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David,
I’m an old, not bold, retired Air Force pilot who was shot at and missed in two wars. Are you suggesting that I should not have taken my active duty and retirement pay? What foolishness, young man!
I like Ron Paul’s suggestion. Let’s eliminate the income tax and replace it with nothing. No Fair Tax. No Flat Tax. No Value Added Tax. No National Sales Tax. Nothing. What you make is yours to keep and spend as you decide is best for you and your family.
What ought to be taxed are people, corporations, and organizations that take government money. It creates dependency and undermines the strength and morals of people.
No person or corporation should ever take, receive, or rely upon government money.
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Thou shall not steal. No exemption for stealing by majority vote. Give and it shall be given unto you. Continually demand that more be given you and you will never have enough. Never.
Contribute, produce, create. Give to the human experience. If you want to have more, then step up and be more. Be, do, have. Trying to short cut the process by having before being or doing shortcircuits the prosperity process. Most of what govenment now does is an attempt to overturn the laws of prosperity. Good luck with that.