President Kennedy’s tax rate reductions were a big success. Sadly, very few modern Democrats share JFK’s zeal for pro-growth tax policy.
- Bernie Sanders wants a huge increase in the death tax.
- Elizabeth Warren wants a punitive wealth tax.
- Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and others want confiscatory tax rates.
And there’s another arrow in the class-warfare quiver.
The Wall Street Journal reports on a misguided new idea from Ron Wyden, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee.
The top Democrat on the Senate’s tax-writing committee proposed taxing unrealized gains in investment assets every year at
the same rates as other income…an idea that would transform how the U.S. taxes the wealthiest people. …Under Mr. Wyden’s concept, capital gains would be taxed annually based on how much assets have gained in value. Now, by contrast, gains are taxed only when assets are sold and at a top rate of 23.8% instead of 37% for ordinary income.
There are two big reasons why this is a terrible idea.
First, the right policy is to abolish any tax on capital gains. Drop the rate to zero.
Simply stated, there shouldn’t be an added layer of tax on people who earn money, pay tax on that money, and then buy assets with some of the remaining after-tax income.
Especially since the income generated by that additional investment already would be hit by the corporate income tax and the extra layer of tax on dividends.
This system is also very bad for workers because of the long-standing relationship between investment and employee compensation.
Second, levying such a tax would be a logistical nightmare. Here’s another brief excerpt from the article.
Mr. Wyden’s concept would present logistical challenges. He would need to figure out how to value complex assets, handle declines in value, deal with people without enough cash to pay the tax and address illiquid investments such as closely held businesses and real estate.
So why would Sen. Wyden propose such a clunky class-warfare scheme?
Because it would generate (at least on paper) a lot of money that could be used to buy votes.
This mark-to-market tax concept…could raise substantial money. A similar proposal…would generate an estimated $125 billion in 2025 alone… Democrats, who are campaigning on wide-ranging and costly ideas for more spending on health care, infrastructure and education, can point to plans by Mr. Wyden and others to explain how they would pay for policy proposals.
Of course, no amount of tax increases would generate the revenue to finance the so-called Green New Deal.
In reality, a major reason for Wyden’s plan is that the left is motivated by class warfare rather than revenue collection.
Democrats have frequently found unfairness in the different ways that the U.S. tax system approaches wage and investment income. They have focused their response, in part, on the “Buffett Rule”, inspired by Warren Buffett’s claim that he pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.
I added this final excerpt simply so I can point out that Buffett’s claim is utter nonsense.
And so is the “Buffett rule” that some folks on the left have proposed.
I’ll close by noting that the United States has one of the world’s least friendly tax codes for investment.
The lower corporate rate in the Trump tax plan was a step in the right direction.
But even with that positive reform, the overall tax burden on capital gains is very high compared to America’s major trading partners.
And now Senator Wyden wants to make a bad situation worse.
For further information, here’s my video explaining why there shouldn’t be any tax on capital gains.
P.S. Uncle Sam also forces investors to pay capital gains tax when assets rise in value because of inflation.
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Unless there is some exemption for early stage companies, this would devastate the creation of new tech startups (and other potentially high growth companies).
An extreme example to illustrate the point: Someone invests $1 million in high growth company X, and a year later their stock on paper is worth $1 billion, but the stock isn’t yet public. They’d want the investor to pay tax on the $999 million gain..37% of that is $370 million.even though the stock isn’t public to sell and even though as a still early company it might be worth $0 the next year. The investor may have the funds to invest $1 million, but not the funds to pay hundreds of millions in tax, so they might need to be able to get a venture loan to pay the tax bill (it wouldn’t be a bank loan, it’d be a high risk “venture loan” sort of thing since it’d need to be backed by the stock as collateral presumably, with high interest rate since the deal would presumably be that if the stock went under water, the loan wouldn’t be paid back).
Even worse, the entrepreneur who creates a high growth company that hasn’t yet exited (gone public or been acquired) would be hit with a vast tax bill they’d need to get an investor to pay.
In theory perhaps they’d exempt early stage companies, just as there are some deals now to minimize capital gains taxes. Of course big publicly traded companies may support the tax since those who own their stock can sell it to pay gains taxes, and in exchange they’d see the startups who’d threaten their market share squashed.
This would also harm poor people in expensive urban areas who bought homes before they became expensive, who would suddenly need to start paying tax due to the rise in housing prices.
On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 9:24 AM International Liberty wrote:
> Dan Mitchell posted: “President Kennedy’s tax rate reductions were a big > success. Sadly, very few modern Democrats share JFK’s zeal for pro-growth > tax policy. Bernie Sanders wants a huge increase in the death tax. > Elizabeth Warren wants a punitive wealth tax. Alexan” >
the biggest problem- alluded to briefly here- would be my inability to cover the so-called gain. I have things I am invested in that I would then be forced to sell (sometimes at a loss perhaps) simply to come up with the taxes I would need to pay on the entity that is gaining value. Would that mean I should invest in some known losers just to balance the winners? Or would they be treated the same? Right now, winners (when cashed out) are taxed at my current tax rate, and losers are allowed a write-off at some percentage. I agree with Dan- I could have made the decision to just spend that money as earned, and seen no taxes other than sales tax. That causes a collision of two old sayings- first you can’t take it with you. And second the only thing you cannot avoid are death and taxes.
Wyden’s plan to raise the capital gains tax is flawed for two reasons:
1. It would initially bring in less revenue.
2. It would slow economic growth.
(For the following discussion I will use 23.8% and 37%, as the current and proposed rates.)
1. Currently stocks are valued at (100%-23.8% or 76.2%) of their true value, since investors should be pricing stock gains at their after-tax return (not counting additional state taxes for this example). With his proposed increase, stocks will drop in value to (100%-37% or 63%) of true value, for a loss in value of 17.3% across the board. (This is the theoretical drop in price, but a drop like that might send an overvalued market into a tailspin.)
(Remember Obama’s confusion as to why increasing the capital gains tax lowered tax revenue?)
So changing the tax would initially result in no tax at all, even at the higher tax rate, since it would take awhile to regain from such a loss, except for a few long term holders.
2. New companies would have to issue additional stock to raise the same dollar amount, slowing growth.
So the class warfare group would have “reduced inequality”, but would temporarily lose tax revenue and permanently slow growth and job creation.
Dan is correct that the right policy is no tax.
Look at what happens then: Stocks go to 100% of value, for a 31% gain in the value of investments across the board. New or growing companies would have to issue less stock to get the same amount of dollars.
To get this passed, the government should propose a one-time “painless tax”. For example, there could be a 20% tax on all accumulated gains, the day before the conversion to zero tax. (Like paying tax on a winning lottery ticket.)
With the entire stock market going up 31% plus any other accumulated gain, plus the value of IRA’s (Not Roth), the tax coffers would receive more than
$1T or 4x the normal take for investment taxes. (After those 4 years, additional growth would start to kick in, increasing the normal tax base)
This should not be cash, but could be reduction of future Social Security payments, thereby dealing with two problems at the same time, and keeping the money out of government’s grubby hands.
No stock holder would have to pay out more in tax than he gained in price increase — PAINLESS