With all of the GOP presidential candidates proposing varying plans to reduce the tax burden and reform the tax system, I’m constantly asked which one is best.
But that’s hard to answer because all of the proposals have features I like…as well as some features that leave me underwhelmed, or perhaps even worried.
My fantasy proposal is to have no income tax, or any broad-based tax, because we shrink the federal government to less than 5 percent of economic output (which is what existed for much of our nation’s history).
But since most of my fantasies won’t happen (at least in the near future), my intermediate goal is to junk the current tax system and replace it with a simple and fair flat tax, which would mean a low tax rate, no double taxation, and no corrupt and distorting tax preferences.
The bad news is that there hasn’t been a stampede by candidates to embrace this type of fundamental tax reform. But the good news is that they all want to move in that direction.
The best site for seeing what the various candidates are proposing is the Tax Foundation, and you can click here to learn everything that you need to know about their plans. There’s less detail, but the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget also has a helpful summary that can be perused here.
Conservative Review put together some useful graphs to compare the major plans. Here’s the tax rate structure for households.
Though this is not very accurate since the value-added taxes in the plans put forth by Rand Paul and Ted Cruz mean the real tax rates on labor income would actually be 29 percent and 26 percent, respectively.
And here’s the degree of double taxation in the major plans.
What stands out in this chart is the fact all the candidates want to reduce double taxation, but Marco Rubio’s plan gets rid of that pernicious practice completely.
There are lots of additional metrics. Most of the candidates abolish the death tax, which is a very damaging form of double taxation.
They all lower or eliminate the corporate income tax.
Most of the candidates also replace depreciation with expensing, thus ensuring the proper treatment of business investment.
And the candidates generally scale back on favoritism in the tax code, particularly the deduction for state and local taxes.
To summarize, the plans have lots of good features, but none of them are perfect. Which is why they all get similar grades. Here’s my back-of-the-envelope assessment (with apologies to John Kasich, Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee, Carly Fiorina, etc, since I imposed my own arbitrary cutoff on which candidates merited close consideration).
Ben Carson gets the best grade because he says he wants a pure flat tax. But he doesn’t get an A because there are no details. In theory, you don’t need a lot of details because the plan is so simple, but the fact that he hasn’t even pinned down the rate (it was 10 percent, but is now 15 percent) leaves me uncertain. Moreover, he hasn’t put forth many details on how to reduce the burden of government spending, which would be necessary to make a low-rate flat tax viable.
By the way, Carly Fiorina would probably get a grade similar to Carson since she’s talked generically about a pure flat tax, and Rick Santorum’s more detailed support for a not-quite-pure flat tax also merits applause.
Jeb Bush and Chris Christie are almost identical (and John Kasich probably would be in the same category) because they make good progress (but not great progress) in almost all areas of the tax code.
Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are more aggressive taking big steps in the right direction, but the value-added tax is a very worrisome feature of their plans.
Donald Trump has the biggest net tax cut, but seems to have no interest in controlling the burden of government spending. He also is the only candidate (to my knowledge) who doesn’t want to replace America’s anti-competitive worldwide tax system with a territorial tax regime.
And Marco Rubio is unique in that his plan is great on double taxation, but is a bit of a dud with regards to tax rates.
Last but not least, Mike Huckabee’s support for replacing the income tax with a national sales tax is theoretically appealing, but it’s either impractical (because there aren’t enough votes to repeal the 16th Amendment) or too risky (because the crowd in Washington would adopt a sales tax without completely repealing the income tax).
P.S. For those who really care about these issues, there’s a debate tomorrow morning (December 8th) between representatives of the Cruz, Paul, Bush, Rubio, and Kasich campaigns.
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Dwight McCullough, I am not on Face Book, however, the recommendation is appreciated. As far as what you have posted on Face Book is concerned, have you been successful in convincing people as to the merits of the Fair Tax?
I like Neal Boortz. Here is the face book page..
https://www.facebook.com/groups/FTgrassroots/permalink/1663784120322673/?comment_id=1664560916911660¬if_t=group_comment¬if_id=1505229220989917
Dwight McCullough, I have seen those websites. I have also read the Fair Tax books. What I was referring to, albeit not specifically, is if you had any blogs that you either created or posted on that also discussed the topic. I know he co-authored the book, however, what are your thoughts about Neal Boortz otherwise?
Well, yah. Go to the web site. http://www.fairtax.org then to FAQ’s…http://www.heritage.org/taxes
https://fairtax.org/index
https://fairtax.org/research-library
Dwight McCullough, if you have any blogs that you recommend that I look up, I would welcome any suggestions.
WE ARE ALREADY APYING HIDDEN EMBEDDED TAXES ON EVERYTHING!
That being said, comparing the FairTax with what we have now, is HUGE.
It is a very good plan and if it continues to be ignored,as it has for 20 years, we will NEVER get out of the awful evil code that enslaves us now!
And I do Jeffrey, I do.
Dwight McCullough, the issue is that halfwitted, simple-minded, ill-informed dunderheads criticize the plan without hearing all of the facts. If you are on Face Book, blast the information about the Fair Tax all over the place,
So if that is true Jeffrey, why are you only supporting it, but promoting it? IF, you have actually read the FAQ’s or the legislation, or gone to FairTax seminar? Why?
Dwight McCullough, I know all about the Fair Tax plan.
Apparently, there are only three people engaged in this conversation…..
So then Jeffrey, have YOU informed yourself of HR25/S13? Have you to the web site? http://www.fairtax.org ?
Dwight McCullough, I have always been opposed to taxing labor and productivity.
That, is an argument that can only be won, when [ if ] people will actually get informed……
THAT is why, those of us who KNOW the HUGE benefits of the FairTax must continue to spread the word…..
Will YOU?
Dwight McCullough, what is to be done with the idiots who claim that the Fair Tax benefits the rich and hurts the poor?
Alrighty then Jeff. Please, do take a good long hard look at HR25/S13… Read the legislation. Go to http://www.fairtax.com. The legislation is a mere 133 pages!
To summarize,; It abolishes income tax. The IRS gone in two years. The ‘Several States’ must ratify it within 7 years and the 16th amendment will be GONE, forever…. it IS a consumption tax! IT IS NOT A VALUE ADDED TAX!!!!!!! It is 23%…………. As a retailer collecting MN sales tax, it is calculated like this. I sell a product for $100. currently in my area, the rate is, 0.7125% The total cost to the customer would be, $107.125…. The little acknowledged fact is, we already pay hidden embedded taxes of about 22.5%…….
The pre-bate goes to everyone. No one could avoid paying taxes… It only covers NEW products/services…..
Please, for the sake of everyone, get informed and once you do, YOU WILL be an advocate…….
Nedlandp, as of July 1st of last year, I asked you to give me hard evidence to validate claims that you made regarding the Fair Tax being regressive. When I said, “don’t waste my time,” that was uncalled for. We just seemed to have a miscommunication, something that was a little bit irritating to me at the time. So I will apologize for that.
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Nedlandp, when I said, “don’t waste my time,” I was referring to your erroneous claims of the Fair Tax benefiting the rich and hurting the poor. So my statement may have been harsh, however, I think everyone should be able to keep every penny they earn. Saying give me something more credible or don’t waste my time means give me actual factual data, not liberal talking points.
Jeffrey
In my comments above, I have outlined how the FairTax would cause rampant inflation of +24%. Inflation hurts everyone, but especially the poor and those on fixed incomes. In addition, the FairTax would be a net benefit for those currently paying high personal tax rates. While I don’t have a problem with reducing tax rates on the wealthy, I do have a problem when the reduction of taxes on income causes inflation that the wealthy will be shielded from by increased take-home pay, whereas the poor will feel the full effect of inflation without shielding.
I promise not to waste your time in the future. With all the comments above and the videos, I can’t believe you could misconstrue my arguments as a “claim that the FairTax hurts the poor.” Please do not expect any more responses to your queries.
Nedlandp, give me something more credible than the claim that the Fair Tax hurts the poor. Otherwise, don’t waste my time.
Jeffrey
You claim to favor the FairTax. It seems that you and Dwight are locked in on the FairTax regardless of arguments against, found in comments above.
Will neither of you engage regarding any of my arguments or will you continue to promote this seriously flawed program?
Just for background, I was an initial supporter of the FairTax when Neil Boortz initially proposed it on his long dead radio program around 2008. I wrote and published a book on the subject of taxes in 2010.
Jefrey Liakos, you apparently have not gone to the web site, read the FAQ’s or read the HR25 legislation. IF, YOU will do any of the above, then YOU will find out, that we are already paying taxes on labor and investment…..
You might also discover that the
‘Progressive Income Tax is the 2nd plank of Marxist doctrine…
I am sure you know that the current system we have now is evil beyond words….
PLEASE, Jeffrey, get informed and join with me to enact the http://www.fairtax.org
Dwight McCullough, I also prefer the Fair Tax. However, I am curious as to what your thoughts are regarding taxing labor and investment at the same rate.
So then, there is ONE PLAN that is in congress that would COMPLETELY TRANSFORM our taxation system… http://www.fairtax.org
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Rick Santorum’s tax reform plan had some appeal. The 20/20 tax plan where all income was treeated the same should have an appeal to those on the Left wing of the political spectrum. Why? Because there is no way the rich would get away like bandits. Everything taxed at the same rate-I can see a certain logic to that.
Check out; http://www.fairtax.org
This is almost 20 year old legislation that cannot get out of committee….
HR25 A mere 133 pages. It abolish’s the IRS and ends ALL federal taxation!
Check lout; http://www.fairtax.org
This is almost 20 year old legislation that cannot get out of committee….
HR25 A mere 133 pages. It abolish’s the IRS and ends ALL federal taxation!
I really liked Rick Santorum’s 20/20 tax plan where all income is treated the same, earned income and unearned income which is derived from capital gains.. Personally, I can see merit to taxing investment and labor at the same rate. This way liberals can’t whine about the rich not paying their fair share in taxes.
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Oh, so you want me to stumble over words and spalelin and my lack of comooonikashun skills?
The folk’s that put this all together are way better’n me…. Why not JUST read the whole thing?
Here, now look at this… http://www.fairtaxnation.com/?xg_source=msg_mes_network
Dwight:
I agree that people rarely want to admit they are wrong.
Please describe the mechanism by which the entire embedded cost is reduced in the following:
Workers are paid $1,000,000/month, of which 25% is taxes, including income taxes and employee FICA. H.R. 25 eliminates those taxes. The company is still contractually committed to pay $1,000,000/month, even though $250,000 in taxes is no longer being paid.
On the corporate side, employer FICA is eliminated of approximately 7.5% or $75,000. Additionally, the corporate tax on profits disappears. While taxes are reduced, this will have no immediate impact on total product cost pre-FairTax, if the company just increases profits by the amount of tax not paid.
The day the FairTax is implemented there has been no change in cost of the product, however, on top of that is added cost of the FairTax of 30%.
In a theoretical market, market pressures would eventually bring salaries and corporate profits down to their previous levels. However, this is the real world. There is no way employees will give up their 33% take-home increase, in the face of wide-spread price inflation of 30%. Depending on the sensitivity of individual products to price increases, many companies may find they make more profits at the higher price.
A new equilibrium will be reached, but there is no way prices will be reduced as claimed by FAQ’s on the site you mentioned above.
The point I am trying so hard to make and I admit, it is very hard. Very hard to get people to become informed…….. Me-thinks it is matter of personal pride. Not wanting to admit that [you] a person is wrong. Consider those people who are quite aware of the corruption of the Clintons and yet still support them…
I have read at least two of the ‘FairTax books, I have sat through at least one 6 hour seminar. I have read their web site and read most if not all of the FAQ’s…. I have studied it and think I know quite a bit about it……. I have read and studied the legislation…… Am I a expert? NO. But I know enough to understand that if we cannot agree on a better plan than the disaster that we have now. It will NEVER be accomplished…. What we have now is ‘un-constitutional’ corrupt and repressive…..
Dwight:
You completely missed the point. I am as frustrated as you with big government. In fact, I wrote a book, “Fixing Everything” that describes my alternatives. Alternatively, you can view several YouTube videos, called the “Fixing Everything Series” at the following link:
Feel free to criticize specifics [Dan doesn’t like a Basic Income/larger than FairTax prebate], but do it understanding what the alternatives are. My proposal is not just a tax proposal, but a tax/safety-net proposal that gets rid of disincentives and the nanny state and about 1,000,000 federal employees involved with welfare and the IRS, while opening the door to a solution for our entitlement overhang problem.
As to the specifics [finally] you mentioned above: “As the cost of employees taxes with held etc would go away……” Most tax related costs do NOT go away, since employees will receive gross pay rather than net after tax pay, based on their contractual arrangements with their employer. It is that additional cost which creates the cost push inflation that I described earlier. The FairTax has been promoted by implying that everyone keeps their gross pay (which they will probably not, based on firm by firm cost pressures).
The 23% FairTax rate is an embedded percentage of the final price. If cost of the item, including corporate profit is $1.00 without tax, it will be $1.30 with tax included. [23% of $1.30 = $.30]. The income tax works the same way. When you are comparing prices with or without taxes, tax cost must be stated as add-on percentage rather than an embedded cost percentage.
Quoting: ” do you really think that the federal government will give up direct control over its largest revenue source? What happens when a rogue governor decides that his State has an “emergency” and “needs” the funds to pay debt/pension liabilities (Illinois?)?”
Argh!
The federal government give up revenue? You have got to be kidding me. What ever happened to ‘We The People’ ? Or ‘government by the people, for the people? A ‘rogue Governor? The state created the federal government, not the other way around…….Let me be clear, I am not a ‘Statist’ Or big government type….. This, needs, to end. If we continue on this road, it will become a ‘Oligarchy’ We are a nation of laws and NOT of the rule of men…….
Have you looked at this?
http://www.fairtaxcalculator.org/faq.php
the fair tax abolishes the IRS and repeals [by the state] the 16th amendment.
It eliminates income tax, withholding tax, corporate tax, death TAX ETC ETC ETC……
Most states have a sales tax, with a organization to collect taxes.. Oh yeah, by the way, the rate is 23% NOT 30 or 35%. The rates can be different for each municipality, as they are in Minnesota. Guess what? We already pay hidden, embedded taxes of about 22-1/2% That would END. As the cost of employees taxes with held etc would go away……
Me-thinks you might just have a motive for keeping the income tax and the IRS…. Am I wrong?
You MUST read the legislation or at least the FAQS to see for YOUR SELF what it contains…….
Every time I hear these arguments and I do quite a bit, it is directly because the person, like yourself has NOT read about it…..
Do I need to beg you to do that?
Pul-eeeze……..
Dwight:
You say I’m wrong on every count, but still refuse to show how I am wrong. If you want a real discussion, let’s hear it. [sigh] [crickets]
Dwight:
Because I disagree with you, you have made the assumption that I am not informed. Speaking of not informed, “FairTax: The Truth” is not an “outside source”, but was written by Neal Boortz and John Linder, the two godfathers of the FairTax movement.
If passed, H.R. 25 will become a study in unintended consequences.
Section 301 removes funding from the IRS, however, the bill assumes that individual States will enter into “cooperative administration” of the tax. First of all, few if any states charge sales tax on services, because of the difficulty in collection, and that’s at rates around 5%, not a 35% combined rate. Second, while the bill has provisions for federal collection from the States, if not paid in a timely matter; do you really think that the federal government will give up direct control over its largest revenue source? What happens when a rogue governor decides that his State has an “emergency” and “needs” the funds to pay debt/pension liabilities (Illinois?)?
What happens when no amendment is passed to get rid of the 16th amendment and the FairTax sunsets? Do we go back to the current disbanded system?
Taxing sales will put an end to privatization efforts. There will be no tax on “free” government services (like garbage collection paid by taxes), whereas private services will have a 30% disadvantage.
H.R. 25 is a great idea in theory, but a mess in practice.
First time, since I voted for Jimmy Carter, I’ve been accused of acting like a liberal…… Now that being said, I no longer vote for democrats, because I have become informed….
So let me ask you again. Are you informed on exactly what the FairTax is? Have you read anything on their web site, or the legislation? Or just listened and read ‘about’ it from a outside source? Can you seriously make up your mind without all the information and facts? A omnibus bill of some 2000 pages was passed just recently. The ACA and other bills passed into law WITHOUT most in congress reading the bills…. Do we as political junkies want to do that as well? Please go to the web site and find out for YOURSELF…….
Dwight
You say you’re a constitutional conservative, but you argue like a liberal: “I’m not going to address the specific issues you raise, because I’m right and you’re wrong. (You stupid, racist, misogynist.)”
The prebate you may be referring to was intended to address the lack of progressivity not the huge amount of price inflation.
[crickets]
[sigh] nedlandp just won’t take the time to go to the web site or read the legislation…… But you are wrong on every count my friend……
As a ‘constitutional conservative’ I pride myself on being better informed than the average ‘uh liberal…. How about you?
Please, do not bother to reply until you do your homework……. The reward will be, once you getcher self informed, YOU will be with me…..
Dwight:
The FairTax is not common sense, but rather a fatally flawed plan.
In “FairTax the Truth” on page 143, there is a footnote that states that price inflation will be 24.8%. This is caused by the increased cost created when you change net pay to gross pay and then add the full tax on top of the new cost structure. Those paying no tax now will see no change in net income, whereas some paying the top marginal tax rate will see more than a 66% [39.6%/(60.4%-state tax percentage) increase in net income on that portion of their income.
Those on fixed incomes would be totally screwed.
Without monetary accommodation for the inflation, quantities of goods and services sold on average would have to drop by 20%. [If prices go up 25%, quantity purchased by a fixed amount of dollars must go down to 80% of previous. If quantities purchased go down 20% how do you pay for net increases in salaries? It would be an absolute mess.
Is it common sense that net salaries go up by 33% on average [heavily weighted to the highest salaries] and prices remain the same, if you collect the same amount of taxes???
A second problem with a NST or the FairTax: How do you collect on services? Someone giving a haircut for $20 would have to add $6 for the 23% FairTax, OR charge the client less and pocket the difference. Those complying with the tax would find themselves at a competitive disadvantage to those who cheat.
Regarding the IRS disappearing, which takes more oversight, annual income review or transactional review to stop cheating?
Actually, those who say that a national sales tax wouldn’t work, have obviously NOT read the FairTax legislation. [HR25/S219]……..
I am very confused. This plan/legislation was researched for many years, much money was spent and yet many do NOT know what it is. The only reason I can imagine is that people are too lazy to read it? Or perhaps are fearful of IRS retribution?
If we are going to do a comparison, then let us at least be informed.
WHY? WHY, IN THE NAME OF COMMON SENSE, DO NOT THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES SUPPORT HR25 /S219? WHY? THEY ALL HAVE A PLAN, BUT NOT ONE OF THEM ELIMINATES THE IRS OR REPEALS THE 16TH AMENDMENT
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I think I have already addressed this in follow up to someone else in this post. No, I am not in favor of the estate tax. I am in favor of elimination. If I had it my way, we would eliminate taxes at the federal level completely and force the feds to go begging the states for cash. But, while we do have the FIT I do favor equal tax treatment of unrealized speculative gains as of the time of death. As it stands now, there is no income tax on unrealized gains if held outside a qualified retirement plan, 401 k or IRA. These assets receive a “step-up” in basis, so even when the assets are sold there is no tax on the unrealuzed gain at death.
Another injustice is the $3,000 annual limit of losses against ordinary income. If someone loses money on an investment the full loss should be permitted in the same year, with carry over to future years.
lerudefrog: Maybe I’m missing the point, but your argument seems to be that the estate tax is a good thing and should not be repealed because it is applied very unevenly and inconsistently. I don’t see how that’s a plus by any standard. I don’t doubt that rich people often manage to shield their estates from this tax by careful “estate planning”, i.e. paying a bunch of lawyers big bucks to set up elaborate legal fictions. What I don’t see is how this is a positive thing.
Anything other than a true flat tax on earned income is a half measure, when we may only have one shot to fix the system.
Since this is a chance to fix the entire system, why not include a fix to the safety-net, so we can eliminate or reduce disincentives, malincentives, and fraud that exist in welfare, unemployment, disability, Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security.
A true flat tax is not politically feasible, because it is not progressive. By marrying a flat tax to a safety-net upgrade in the form of a basic income that cannot be lost by earning income, you create a multi-WIN solution.
lerudefrog
There are basically two types of tax, consumption taxes and wealth creation taxes.
Consumption taxes are ultimately paid for by the consumer; which include payroll and earned income taxes, corporate profit and corporate payroll taxes along with government license fees, and taxes on sales; all of which are embedded in the final cost of the product or service.
Wealth creation taxes in the case of stocks involves double taxation of profits from the corporate vehicle that has already paid consumption taxes on all the activities mentioned above. In the case of corporate bonds, it is a tax on the money lent so the corporation can engage in those same activities. In the case of government bonds, it makes little sense to tax interest, if that tax raises the cost of borrowing by an equivalent amount.
Wealth creation grows the consumption tax base. Excessive taxes on wealth creation result in a stagnant economy.
I am merely stating that for all intents and purposes, unrealized gains at death are not only NOT subject to double taxation, they are subject to NO taxation. I am 100% for elimination of the estate tax, but I know of no greater inequity in tax law than zero tax on apprecited stock, bond and real estate outside a qualifief retirement plan, but full ordinary tax on appreciation inside a qualified plan and, worse yet, ordinary tax plus 15% payroll tax on wages.
Other than this, I concur with Dan.
The only way the “death tax” could fail to be double taxation is if no tax is collected.
Those two caveats make it clear that you’re describing the case where no tax is collected: The amount in question is below the minimum taxable value, or the inheritance has been moved from a taxable form to a non-taxable form.
Since, as you say, nearly everybody does this, is there any reason the government’s revenue collection services should punish people who spend their time & money doing things besides “estate planning”?
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One major disagreement and that is the notion of the “death tax” (the estate tax) as some kind of abusive form of double taxation. That is true for only a very very small number of individuals and families and is only true when very poor planning or no planning is done.
What does not get press is the step-up in basis on appreciated assets which for the vast majority of taxpayers, completely eliminates tax on stock market and real estate gains, while the working classes pay tax on 100% of their income.
I think your subgrades for Christie’s plans for Rates, Simplicity, S&I, Social Engineering, Viability, Fairness, Risk, Competitiveness, and Specificity are spot-on, and a good summary of his plan.
However, I have to quibble with the overall grade you assigned him. 😉