I’ve repeatedly warned about the downsides of socialism, calling it “evil and stupid,” as well as a “dreary failure.”
Though these debates can be frustrating because of vague definitions.
Some people, when they talk about socialism, are referring to government ownership, central planning, and price controls.
Others, by contrast, are referring to Scandinavia’s market-based welfare states.
And there’s also a distinction to be made between Marxist socialism and less totalitarian versions.
Speaking of which Joseph Stiglitz opined in the Washington Post about the benefits of so-called democratic socialism.
…no one in the United States is advocating a government takeover of coal mines or oil fields — not Ocasio-Cortez, not Sanders, not anybody. …the extremes of capitalism and its dysfunction have given rise to questions such as: Can capitalism be saved from itself?
…American democratic socialists — or call them what you will — is simply advocating a model that embraces government’s important role in social protection and inclusion, environmental protection, and public investment in infrastructure, technology and education. They recognize the public’s regulatory role in preventing corporations from exploiting customers or workers… Millennials respond to the label “democratic socialist” in a pragmatic way. They say, if it means ensuring a decent life for all Americans, then we’re for it. …many of these ideas have the support of a majority of Americans, especially the young.
I don’t doubt that many people respond favorably to polling questions about getting things for free.
Even the young. Maybe especially the young.
Indeed, the desire to get something for nothing is the Achilles Heel of democracy.
But does any of that mean socialism works?
Professor Ilya Somin of George Mason Law School is appropriately skeptical.
He explains why socialism imposed by a democratically elected government won’t be any more successful than the totalitarian forms of socialism.
Historically, socialism—defined as government control over all or most of the economy—has led to mass murder, poverty, and oppression on an enormous scale. …The current horrible oppression in Venezuela…is just the latest iteration of the same pattern. …current advocates of democratic socialism argue that this awful record isn’t relevant to their proposals.
…we are assured that latter-day socialists don’t actually mean to impose government control over the means of production. They just want greatly increased regulation and welfare state spending. Unfortunately, the…expansion of government power advocated by modern socialists is so great that it would put most of the economy under state control, even if much industry formally remained under private ownership. It goes far beyond any Scandinavian precedent. …The standard agenda favored by most democratic socialists – single-payer health care, universal free college, and a guaranteed federal job for anyone who wants one—would cost some $42.5 trillion over a ten year period ($4.25 trillion per year). …many enterprises would officially remain under private ownership, implementation of the democratic socialist agenda would ensure that the federal government controls the lion’s share of actual economic resources.
Professor Somin warns that the Sanders/AOC agenda would push America way to the left of the Nordic nations.
Often, their agenda is analogized to the policies of Scandinavian nations, which have large welfare states, but remain relatively prosperous and free. …The democratic socialist agenda goes well beyond the Nordic nations advocates sometimes cite as models. While these countries have comparatively large welfare states, they combine them with low levels of regulation and high openness to international trade. To take just one example, none of the Nordic nations have a national government-mandated minimum wage. The Nordic nations actually come close to the United States (and occasionally even outscore it) on standard measures of economic liberty. Iceland (slightly ahead of the US) and Denmark (slightly behind) were statistically indistinguishable from the US in the latest Index of Economic Freedom ranking put out by the conservative Heritage Foundation. Finland and Sweden were only slightly lower. When Danish Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen tried to explain to Bernie Sanders that his country is not actually socialist, the latter should have listened.
I’ve made similar arguments about relatively high levels of economic liberty in Scandinavia, so I obviously think this is spot on.
Somin also speculates that democratic socialism in America may morph into totalitarian socialism. Which is what’s happened in Venezuela. And may happen to Greece.
I worry that he’s right, particularly since redistribution erodes societal capital.
Though I hope he’s wrong.
In any event, that’s a secondary issue. At least for now.
What matters today is that politicians are promising lots of freebies. Notwithstanding the “investment” argument made by Stiglitz and others, those new handouts will undermine prosperity.
And that’s true regardless of whether the additional spending is financed with new taxes or new debt (or printing money).
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Once again, you prove that those with the loudest opinions of socialism know nothing about it.
You are mentally disturbed if you think govt control over everything is going to solve anything . the govt will have the power. That aint going to happen bubba.
if the socialists can increase the size of America’s underclass… they can improve their prospects for running the country for years to come… that’s the real reason they are advocating and supporting the admission of millions of un skilled… under-educated illegal aliens into the country… if they find a way to nullify the electoral college… and transform the Republic into a majoritarian democracy… they will control the presidency… and if the illegals become democrat voters… that’s another plus… do the republicans have the resolve to stop the socialist democrats from “fundamentally transforming the United States of America” into something totally different? the socialist democrat presidential candidates have already declared their intentions to rule the country by executive fiat should they win the presidency… who will save the Republic? Mitch McConnell? the trumpkin? the fat guy who stripped at the libertarian national convention?
The Democratic debates also highlighted that most of the contenders for the nomination would like to include a tidal wave of non citizens enyering our country illegally in the “freebie giveaway” .
One had to wonder what happens when illegal entry is decriminalized and “benefits for all who step foot on our soil” are telegraphed around a planet where 95 percent of the population makes less than a US wage earner taking home 24k a year…
It’s not socialism, it’s democratic socialism
“democratic socialism” is an oxymoron. The term “democratic” is attached to make it look like the authoritarianism of socialism comes from the People.
I find it interesting that the entire Democratic field of candidates are promoting this nonsense. And what many do not realize, their climate change agenda is really a means of altering our economic system. I point this out in a blog article I wrote today. You can find it my blog https://www.personalecon101.com.
Dinesh D’Souza for Prager University: on Giovanni Gentile… socialism… fascism… and state directed capitalism…
The key to this conundrum is “democratic socialism”. That is majority rule. Let me quote Woodhouselee.
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the people discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the canidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy–to be followed by a dictatorship.”
― Alexander Fraser Tytler Woodhouselee
The USA is a republic, designed as such to avoid the eventual death throes of democracy. Those who advocate “democratic socialism” are simply putting lip[stick on a pig and imagining a different result.
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