During the Obamacare bill-signing ceremony, Vice President Biden had a “hot mic” incident when he was overheard telling Obama that “this is a big f***ing deal.”
And he was telling the truth. It was a big deal (albeit a wrong deal) from a fiscal perspective and a health perspective. And it also was a very costly deal for Democrats, costing them the House in 2010 and the Senate in 2014. But it definitely was consequential.
Well, there’s another “big f***ing deal” in Washington, and it’s what just happened to the state and local tax deduction. It wasn’t totally repealed, as I would have preferred, but there’s now going to be a $10,000 limit on the amount of state and local taxes that can be deducted.
I’ve already explained why this is going to reverberate around the nation, putting pressure on governors and state legislators for better tax policy, and I augment that argument in this clip from a recent interview with Trish Regan.
The bottom line is that high-tax states no longer will be able to jack up taxes, using federal deductibility to spread some of the burden to low-tax states.
Let’s look at what this means, starting with a superb column in today’s Wall Street Journal by Alfredo Ortiz.
The great American migration out of high-tax states like New York and Illinois may be about to accelerate. The tax reform enacted last month caps the deduction for state and local taxes, known as SALT, at $10,000.
…between July 1, 2016, and July 1, 2017, …high-tax states like New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Illinois and Rhode Island either lost residents or stagnated. …When people move, they take their money with them. The five high-tax states listed above have lost more than $200 billion of combined adjusted gross income since 1992… In contrast, Nevada, Washington, Florida and Texas gained roughly the same amount. If politicians in high-tax states want to prevent this migration from becoming a stampede, they will have to deliver fiscal discipline.
Mr. Ortiz shows how some state politicians already seem to realize higher taxes won’t be an easy option anymore.
New Jersey’s Gov.-elect Phil Murphy campaigned on a promise to impose a “millionaires’ tax.” But the Democratic president of the state Senate, Steve Sweeney, said in November that New Jersey needs to “hit the pause button” because “we can’t afford to lose thousands of people.” His next words could have come from a Republican: “You know, 1% of the people in the state of New Jersey pay about 42% of its tax base. And you know, they can leave.” New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio may need to rethink his proposed millionaires’ tax. George Sweeting, deputy director of the city’s Independent Budget Office, told Politico in November that eliminating the SALT deduction would “make it a tougher challenge if the city or the state wanted to raise their taxes.” New York state Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli added: “If you lose that deductibility, I worry about more middle-class families leaving.” …the limit on the SALT deduction is a gift that will keep on giving. In the years to come it will spur additional tax cuts and forestall tax increases at the state and local level.
Though the politicians from high-tax states are definitely whining about the new system.
The Governor of New Jersey is even fantasizing about a lawsuit to reverse reform.
Murphy, a Democrat, said he has spoken with leadership in New York and California and with legal scholars about doing “whatever it takes”…
Asked if that included a joint lawsuit with other states, Murphy said “emphatically, yes.” …Murphy said. “This is a complete and utter outrage. And I don’t know how else to say it. We ain’t gonna stand for it.”
Here’s a story from New York Times that warmed my heart last month.
…while Mr. Cuomo and his counterparts from California and New Jersey seemed dead-certain about the tax bill’s intent
— Mr. Brown called it “evil in the extreme” — there were still an array of questions about how states would respond. None of the three Democrats offered concrete plans on what action their states might take.
They haven’t offered any concrete plans because the only sensible policy – lower tax rates and streamlined government – is anathema to politicians who like buying votes with other people’s money.
California will be hard-hit, but a columnist for the L.A. Times correctly observes tax reform will serve as a much-need wake-up call for state lawmakers.
…let’s be intellectually honest. There’s no credible justification for the federal government subsidizing California’s highest-in-the-nation state income tax — or, for that matter, any local levy like the property tax.
Why should federal tax money from people in other states be spent on partially rebating Californians for their state and local tax payments? Some of those states don’t even have their own income tax, including Nevada and Washington. Neither do Texas and Florida. …federal subsidies just encourage the high-tax states to rake in more money and spend it. And they numb the states’ taxpayers. …Republican state Sen. Jeff Stone of Temecula put it this way after Trump unveiled his proposal last week: “For years, the Democrats who raise our taxes in California have said, ‘Don’t worry. The increase won’t matter all that much because tax increases are deductible.’” Trump’s plan, Stone continued, “seems to finally force states to be transparent about how much they actually tax their own residents.”
He also makes a very wise point about the built-in instability of California’s class-warfare system – similar to a point I made years ago.
Our archaic system is way too volatile. The nonpartisan Legislative Analyst’s Office reported last week that income tax revenue is five times as volatile as personal income itself. The “unpredictable revenue swings complicate budgetary planning and contributed to the state’s boom-and-bust budgeting of the 2000s,” the analyst wrote. During the recession in 2008, for example, a 3.7% dip in the California economy resulted in a 23% nosedive in state revenue. The revenue stream has become unreliable because it depends too heavily on high-income earners, especially their capital gains. During an economic downturn, capital gains go bust and revenue slows to a trickle. In 2015, the top 1% of California earners paid about 48% of the total state income tax while drawing 24% of the taxable income.
Let’s close with some sage analysis from Deroy Murdock.
“Taxes should hurt,” Ronald Reagan once said. He referred to withholding taxes, which empower politicians to siphon workers’ money stealthily, before it reaches their paychecks. Writing the IRS a check each month, like covering the rent, would help taxpayers feel the public sector’s true cost.
This would boost demand for tax relief and fuel scrutiny of big government. Like withholding taxes, SALT keeps high state-and-local taxes from hurting. In that sense, SALT is the opiate of the overtaxed masses. The heavy levies that liberal Democrats (and, inexcusably, some statist Republicans) impose from New York’s city hall to statehouses in Albany, Trenton, and Sacramento lack their full sting, since SALT soothes their pain. Just wait: Once social-justice warriors from Malibu to Manhattan feel the entire weight of their Democrat overlords’ yokes around their necks, they will squeal. Some will join the stampede to income-tax-free states, including Texas and Florida. …A conservative, the saying goes, is a liberal who has been mugged by reality. Dumping SALT into the Potomac should inspire a similar epiphany among the Democratic coastal elite.
He’s right. This reform could cause a political shake-up in blue states.
P.S. Since I started this column with some observations about the political consequences of Obamacare, this is a good time to mention some recent academic research about the impact of that law on the 2016 race.
We combine administrative records from the federal health care exchange with aggregate- and individual-level data on vote choice in the 2016 election. We show that personal experiences with the Affordable Care Act informed voting behavior and that these effects could have altered the election outcome in pivotal states… We also offer evidence that consumers purchasing coverage through the exchange were sensitive to premium price hikes publicized shortly before the election… Placebo tests using survey responses collected before the premium information became public suggest that these relationships are indeed causal.
Wow. Obamacare there’s a strong case that Obamacare delivered the House to the GOP, the Senate to the GOP, and also the White House to the GOP. Hopefully the Democrats will be less likely to do something really bad or really crazy the next time they hold power.
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Any tax paid should be deductible on any other tax program. Otherwise you are paying taxes on money you had no use of, but that went to a government, whether Federal, State or Local. That is double and sometimes triple taxation on the same money. It is why we are taxed to death, yet it hides the true tax rate, with is close to 50% or your total wages. Look at Tax Freedom day, it usually occurs in late May for most States.
I agree with roni. The one thing the Republicans did not factor in is the possibility that the blue-staters moving to red states as a result of this may continue voting as blue-staters, and turn those red states blue. I’ve seen this in Texas–A Californian, who defecated so many years in his own home (California), moves here and defecates in his new home, not realizing why he left his old home in the first place.
As a lifelong Texan, this is my greatest fear. I would rather subsidize the blue states, and keep mine red (therefore ensuring that my candidates still have a chance of being elected), than all states turning blue, locking in Democrat rule into perpetuity.
I’m just scared all those folks leaving the blues states will come here to my red state and start screwing it up with the same idiotic voting that got them in trouble before.
“[T]here’s a strong case that Obamacare delivered the House to the GOP, the Senate to the GOP, and also the White House to the GOP. Hopefully the Democrats will be less likely to do something really bad or really crazy the next time they hold power.”
In 1994 it was the Assault Weapon Ban that cost the Democrats congress… it didn’t chill their ardor for gun control even a whit.
All this talk about a big raise in taxation for the wealthy by the limitation of tax deduction for state and local taxes is utter nonsense.
Why?
Because it ignores the alternative minimum tax!
This tax, which kicks in at a mighty income of $150,000 per annum for married couples and much less for singles, in recent years, allows no deduction for taxes paid, on ordinary income above that threshhold,
This tax, combined with the regular tax taxes income over that threshold taxes the last dollar of income at 35% until the exemption amount is phased out, whereupon it reverts to 28%.
Only long term capital gains are exempt from this tax.
Actually the effect of this tax falls heaviest on the last dollars of income fromm those with incomes between the threshold and the point at which the threshold is phased out; and the super rich whose regular tax rate on the last dollar of income exceeds 28% doesn’t pay it at all on that dollar. .
Can you imagine that the imbeciles who created this tax thought they were hitting the very rich. Yes the very rich whose ordinary income is between $150,000 and $450,000.
Klaar and Ritchie:
If we were going from a tariff to a FairTax/NST, I would be all for it, however there is a serious problem, which I call the “phantom tax”, when you get rid of the individual income tax. You may eliminate the tax, but the cost remains to haunt prices.
Currently, John might make $100,000 and pay $25,000 in taxes out of his salary. His services can be offered for $100,000 plus pre-tax corporate profit of $13,333 (25% tax), or $113,333.
Under the FairTax, John would still make $100,000 but no tax would be paid for the equivalent of a 33% raise to him ($100K vs $75K). If profit were $10,000, his services could be offered for $110,000 plus a $33,000 tax (23% tax) or $143,000.
This inflationary bump would occur for every product that involves labor. The originators of the FairTax estimate inflation to be 24.8% (I believe that’s too high). Totally unacceptable. Fine for John, but not everyone without a FairTax induced raise.
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The long term implications of limiting the SALT deduction to $10,000 could help expedite a long term move of the rich to lower tax states. That’s a good move.
scf: “You are missing the marginal effect on high income people. In California your 10% of 20% is 13% of 39.6% = 5.2%. That is a whopper tax increase. Plus you lose 39.6% of your real estate tax, which could easily be a very big number.”
klaar … you need to check out the Fair Tax, which pretty much fits your description of a Federal sales tax: http://www.fairtax.org
And it isn’t just the Progressives that are squealing about the SALT deduction reductions … here on LonGuyLand, both Peter King and Lee Zelden were quite disdainful of the SALT and home-mortgage deduction changes … even though the higher standard deduction offsets the diminished SALT deductibility, and most LonGuyLanders (outside the political-donor class) will still be able to deduct their home-mortgage interest in full.
nedlandp: “until the 1860’s most of the federal revenue came from tariffs.”
I’d be OK with a federal retail sales tax. Instead of, not in addition to, a Federal income tax. I’d be OK with it starting with a healthy progressive deduction for a family, and gradual reduction of its progressiveness. Everybody should have skin in the game.
scf: “Basically, you just end up paying the state/local tax on the federal tax, which is 10% of 20% = 2% in the example”
Agreed. However, hear the screams over this 2% pittance, not from Dan Mitchell but from governors and their budget people. It’s not about the 2%, it’s about the pain. The pain, and what steps high-tax localities will undertake because of the pain, that are consequential.
cloudbuster: “as the republic was originally designed most of our tax burden is supposed to be state and local.” Agreed. This budget just relieved all localities of a Federal tax burden in the hope that increased economic activity will make up for it. A small amount of relief indeed, but a start. As for how our Republic was originally designed, well, 16th and 17th Amendments have done their damage already. They could be repealed. Senators appointed and recallable by their State governments could have prevented this.
nedlandp
I know. I’ve never been a fan of the income tax amendment. There’s no reason to privilege federal tax collection even further.
Cloudbuster
Until the 1860’s most of the federal revenue came from tariffs.
I respectfully disagree with Smapple above – and agree with Dan Mitchell – this change is highly consequential. It’s already clear to me that my own federal (and aggregate) taxes will rise substantially because of the loss of federal deductibility on my expensive real estate in high-tax states; the loss of deductibility on state income taxes is less of an issue for me because I am retired. Further, net equity losses on sale can only be expected by those who own high-value homes in blue states – buyers will face higher net carrying costs. Even so, I applaud the changes, for the reasons set ofrth here: http://civilhorizon.com/2017/12/20/an-expensive-win/
If Senator Chuck (Shmuck) Shumer had come to the table to negotiate, SALT might have been saved, But noooo….
I just can’t get on board with this. Ultimately it privileges the federal government over the states, and as the republic was originally designed most of our tax burden is supposed to be state and local.
If all the GOP bill did was eliminate the Alternative Minimum Tax, it was WELL worth passage!
The Republicans found a way to tax the rich people and the Democrats are complaining because it’s their rich people. The Democrats have now developed a new class of the rich who deserve to be protected from taxes. Hopefully, they’ll define the terms so we know what to expect from them.
Please, this kind of exaggeration is ridiculous. If we ignore everything else in the tax code when using a simple example of paying 20% federal and 10% state and local tax, then the tax paid goes from 28% to 30% tax. Not exactly earth-shattering. Basically, you just end up paying the state/local tax on the federal tax, which is 10% of 20% = 2% in the example.
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Truth is that SALT has only been used to hide the taxes- it was never really a deduction, because the AMT caught all those who thought they would get the deduction. SO, while they were praising the deduction, they weren’t really getting it, and AMT was taking the blame as the “bad boy”. Further, very few lower income folks ever used this deduction because they never reached the thresholds for it to matter. Kinda funny they way they obfuscate.
Dan:
Congrats on Georgia’s big win yesterday!
Alabama didn’t show much offense yesterday. Betting on the Dawgs to go all the way!
Ned