Whenever there’s a discussion of the Nordic nations, I feel conflicted.
I don’t like the punitively high tax rates and socially destructive levels of redistribution in nations such as Denmark, but I also admire the very laissez-faire policies those countries have when it comes to regulation, trade, and property rights.
Indeed, on those latter issues, it’s worth noting that Nordic nations are more free market-oriented than the United States according to the experts at the Fraser Institute who put together Economic Freedom of the World.
Take the example of Sweden. That country has robust school choice and a partially privatized social security system.
Moreover, Nordic nations in general have lower business tax burdens and investment tax burdens than the United States. And Denmark and Sweden have both taken some modest steps to restrain government spending, so even in the realm of fiscal policy you can find some admirable developments.
But these countries need more than “modest steps” since the burden of government spending is still enormous. And excessive social-welfare expenditures are a major problem since such outlays depress labor force participation and encourage dependency.
I mention all these good and bad features of Nordic nations because Senator Bernie Sanders has suggested, as part of his presidential campaign, that the United States should become more like Sweden and Denmark.
If I got to pick and choose which policies we copied, I would agree.
But since Senator Sanders almost surely wants us to copy their fiscal policies (and presumably has no idea that those countries are pro-free market in other areas), I feel compelled to explain that he’s wrong.
And the good news is that other people are producing the evidence, which makes my job easy. Nima Sanandaji is a Swedish economist who just wrote a very illuminating article on this topic for the Cayman Financial Review.
He starts by noting how statists embrace the Nordic Model.
Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden have high-tax social democratic systems that for long have been admired by the left. …The high regard comes as no surprise. Nordic societies are uniquely successful. Not only are they characterised by high living standards, but also by other attractive features such as low crime rates, long life expectations, high degrees of social cohesion and relatively even income distributions. …This is often seen as proof that a ”third way” policy between socialism and capitalism works well, and that other societies can reach the same favourable social outcomes simply by expanding the size of government.
But Nima explains that Nordic nations became rich when they had free markets and small government.
The best that can be said about the Nordic welfare state is that the damage is somewhat contained because of cultural norms.
If one studies Nordic history and society in depth, however, it quickly becomes evident that the simplistic analysis is flawed. …High levels of trust, strong work ethic, civic participation, social cohesion, individual responsibility and family values are long-standing features of Nordic society that pre-date the welfare state. These deeper social institutions explain why Sweden, Denmark and Norway could so quickly grow from impoverished nations to wealthy ones as industrialisation and the market economy were introduced in the late 19th century. …The same norms explain why large welfare systems could be implemented in the mid-20th century. Strong work ethics and high levels of trust made it possible to levy high taxes and offer generous benefits with limited risk of abuse and undesirable incentive effects. It is important to stress that the direction of causality seems to be from cultures with strong social capital towards welfare states that have not had serious adverse consequences, and not the other way around.
Dr. Sanandaji then hypothesizes that we can learn a lot by comparing Americans of Nordic descent with those that didn’t emigrate.
…the Nordic success culture is maintained when people from this region move abroad. …The American descendants of Nordic migrants live in a very different policy environment compared with the residents of the Nordic countries. The former live in an environment with less welfare, lower taxes and (in general) freer markets. Interestingly, the social and economic success of Nordic-Americans is on a par with or even better than their cousins in the Nordic countries. …Close to 12 million Americans have Nordic (Scandinavian) origins.
And he produces some dramatic data.
Simply said, people of Nordic descent do very well in America, where the fiscal burden is lower than it is back in Scandinavia.
According to the 2010 US Census, the median household income in the United States is $51,914. This can be compared with a median household income of $61,920 for Danish Americans, $59,379 for Finish-Americans, $60,935 for Norwegian Americans and $61,549 for Swedish Americans. There is also a group identifying themselves simply as “Scandinavian Americans” in the US Census. The median household income for this group is even higher at $66,219.
But here’s the most remarkable information from his article. Nordic-Americans are far more productive than their cousins back home.
Danish Americans have a contribution to GDP per capita 37 per cent higher than Danes still living in Denmark; Swedish Americans contribute 39 per cent more to GDP per capita than Swedes living in Sweden; and Finnish Americans contribute 47 per cent more than Finns living in Finland. …there is prima facie evidence that the decedents of Nordic people who move to the U.S. are significantly better off than those who stay at home.
Here’s the infographic Nima sent with his article.
Wow, this is game, set, match, as far as I’m concerned.
Nima produced similar data a few years ago looking just as Swedes.
But this new data makes it clear that we’re not just looking at a one-nation phenomenon. The lesson is clear. Nordic people manage to be somewhat productive in high-tax, big-government nations.
But if they reside in a medium-tax country with a medium-sized government, they are highly productive (so just imagine what they could achieve in Hong Kong or Singapore!).
And Nima also points out that there is less poverty among Scandinavians in America than there is among Scandinavians in Scandinavia.
Nordic descendants in the U.S. today have half the poverty rate of the average of Americans – a consistent finding for decades. In other words, Nordic Americans have lower poverty rates than Nordic citizens.
So here’s the lesson that will be a nightmare for Bernie Sanders. It turns out that his role models actually teach us that big government makes people less prosperous.
…in the long run, the large welfare states have eroded incentives, and ultimately the social norms that bounded Nordic societies together. The U.S. system, with greater emphasis on personal responsibility, is more in line with the traditional Nordic system that allowed for the culture of success to develop in the first place. Thus, we should not be surprised that Nordic Americans have both higher living standard and lower poverty than their cousins in the Nordic welfare states.
To summarize, the recipe for prosperity is free markets (which you find in Scandinavia) and small government (which is absent in those countries).
But Senator Sanders wants to copy the bad parts of Nordic nations while ignoring the good parts. For those who care about real-world evidence, Dr. Sanandaji’s data suggests we should take the opposite approach.
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James’ comment is too dismissive. Yes, some immigrants leave their country because they are enterprising and have wealth. However, others emigrate simply because they’re fleeing famine or wars.
Hang on, so you’re saying that those who leave there country have higher earning than those who stay in their own country? No shit.
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Simon,
The ‘evidence’ may not be perfect, but it’s also not worthless. Perfect economic data, especially across a century or more, is hard to come by. Sure, it would be great to compare “equally entrepreneurial” families who stayed in Norway versus those who emigrated to the US. I really doubt any such credible data exists (we probably cannot define and isolate “equally entrepreneurial” people if we look at only 2018!). With economics, the empirical data is not always ‘clean,’ which is why logic and theory are supremely important. There is solid logic and theory behind Dr Mitchell’s claims, and the imperfect data also supports them. I think you just don’t like the answer.
Also, while it may be true that many Nordic people who moved to America were bolder or braver, it’s likely just as true they had little material wealth when they arrived. People who were materially comfortable stayed in Sweden. People who weren’t finding success in Sweden emigrated.
His hypothesis is that culture is maintained. However, unless he has some measure of this “culture” – this anecdotal proofs falls short for any serious academic scrutiny.
The reason why you can’t make comparisons between incomes between people across 100-120 years should be obvious. The general principle for why this “proof” is anecdotal is because there could be so many other reasons why we see this difference. Let me just give some examples. First, the kind of people who would endeavor to go to America is likely to be of a more adventurous spirit, ie they are risk takers and entrepreneurial. This could explain why they are richer. A “fair” comparison would be between equally entrepreneurial families that chose to stay in Sweden. Second, America is richer as a country overall meaning that the median income is higher for the American than for the Swede – to see the real impact of “culture”, you would have to control for this difference first. Third, how do you know that there’s actually a difference in culture that has been retained throughout 100+ years? This should just make the argument fly straight off the bat. The only even half-reasonable study that could show causation would be if you looked at incomes of immigrants right after they arrived, but even that would have to correct for the above mentioned problems.
The fact that the mises article linked to this post as evidence for a big welfare state as having negative effects on economic performance makes me lose respect for the institute and its ideas. I am open to good arguments, such as Sanadaji’s general theory of culture being a very important role in explaining the Nordic success, but the empirical “evidence” is not even close. And the fact that you so readily accept it as truth just makes you lose credibility.
And yes, im Swedish with an economics background.
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Heh. I wouldn’t listen too much to Nima. Those data are wrong even to a superficial read. For example, while Denmark and Sweden was wealthy before introducing a welfare state, Norway, Iceland and Finland were dirt poor, and worked their way to wealth with a welfare state.
More seriously, Nima tries to roll out the old joke “We have no poverty among Swedes in America either” as if it was a serious argument.
Well over 99 % of Scandinavian-Americans are descended from the main immigration wave 100-150 years ago. That’s quite important. Your comparison group here can all follow their family back over a century, and in addition to that stability, the family has spent that century belonging to the top ethnicity in an ethnically mixed country.
Compare Scandinavian-Americans to a similar slice of Scandinavians -century deep family history, no minorities- and those numbers look very, very different.
What can I say? Norwegian-Americans are just a superior group of people. (Says a Norwegian-American …)
A little glimpse of paradise:
The 180% over purchase price sales tax for cars in Denmark. Then another $1000 yearly.
http://www.ecocouncil.dk/documents/andet/1733-150417-motor-vehicle-taxation/file
And gas at about $9.50 per gallon to boot.
A $20,000 car cost you $50,000, then $1000 every year plus the $9.5/gal gas.
Personal transportation is shamed upon, as over two thirds of residents in Copenhagen do not own a car. With such persecution, it’s no wonder. The majority’s envy and scorn for those who do have a car emerges.
Makes me wonder whether the economic freedom index does capture such conditions.
From the seven hundred square foot beehive apartment to the work cubicle, the metro train in the densely packed eco-city carries the emasculated viking to his duty, day in, day out. Want personal transportation to go to a place where there are no other people? What antisocial behavior is that? It’s disapproved, persecuted. You belong to the community, and should conduct yourself inside it as much as possible.
Even the Taliban have pickup trucks. At some point, as democratic coercive collectivism continues to cross thresholds and becomes more and more Orwellian you start feeling freer in autocratic Dubai, or even Russia, than in Denmark.
I doubt Bernie sanders’ aim is truly Nordic. He wants to maintain the statism the U.S. already has in other areas and add to it the fiscal policy statism of the Scandinavians. So the result he seeks is not Scandinavia, but France. A country with a secular growth rate trendline of 0.5-1%, i.e. a nearly stagnant country that is being fast absorbed into the group of rising middle income nations. For example, at current growth rate divergences the French will have the same median income as China by 2035. Sure China’s growth may slow down, this is why decline timeframes should be computed against the world average. So, by comparison to world average growth, France will have grown into a middle income country by 2050.
In the end, Scandinavian nations have had the trajectory that America is about to enter. Having grown much faster than world average since the late nineteenth century, they joined the group of most prosperous countries on earth. But as of a few decades ago a rising welfare state sapped incentives and lowered growth trend-line to around half the world average. Hence, their world prosperity rankings are now sliding relatively fast (except perhaps Norway which has higher per capita oil production than Saudi Arabia). Maintaining some significant pro-market laissez-faire policies in areas other than fiscal policy, the Scandinavian countries they are not declining quite as fast as France. Hence at current growth trendlines Sweden will last until 2070 before becoming absorbed into the middle income country group.
Make no mistake, the middle income country group of 2070 or even 2050, will have a standard of living superior to what we have today in the first world. But we’ll see whether those Scandinavian (or American under Bernie) hippies feel that “they have enough” as world mid packers.
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