I want to challenge supporters of intervention and big government. Here are two simple questions. I’ll be happy if I can get a semi-reasonable answer to either of them.
1. Can you name a nation that became rich with statist policies?
Before you say Sweden, or even France, note that I asked you to name a nation that became rich during a period when it followed policies of interventionism and big government. Countries in Western Europe became rich during the 1800s and early 1900s when government was very small. Indeed, government spending consumed only about 10 percent of economic output in Western Europe prior to World War I and there was almost no redistribution. That’s more libertarian than what you find today in places such as Hong Kong and Singapore.
Speaking of which, what I’m really asking my leftist friends is that they give me the left-wing versions of Hong Kong and Singapore. These jurisdictions were relatively impoverished at the end of World War II, but they are now both very rich by global standards. And libertarians and other advocates of small government and free markets can make a very strong case that good policy played a role in their amazing rise to prosperity.
So where’s the role model for statists? What nation can they put forth as a successful example?
I won’t hold my breath waiting for an accurate answer.
Now for the other part of the challenge.
2. Can you name a nation that with interventionism and big government that is out-performing a similar nation with free markets and small government?
Before you embarrass yourself by asserting that, say, Denmark is richer than Paraguay because of statism, you need to look at the data. Denmark has a bigger welfare state than Paraguay, but it’s much more pro-market in other respects. Indeed, it is ranked #14 in the Economic Freedom of the World, compared to #89 for Paraguay. You’d be more clever to ask why, for example, #42 Belgium is richer than #6 Mauritius.
But this is why I asked for a comparison of similar nations. In other words, find two countries that are, or were, roughly equal in terms of demographics, economic development, resource endowments, and other factors. And then I want an example of a nation with statist policy that has out-performed a nation that instead chose small government and free markets. Or the jurisdictions don’t even need to be that similar. Just show me a statist nation that grows faster, over a meaningful period of time, than a pro-market jurisdiction.
From a libertarian perspective, I can cite lots of examples, such as Chile vs. Argentina vs. Venezuela. Or North Korea vs. South Korea. Or Ukraine vs. Poland. Or Hong Kong vs. Argentina. Or Singapore vs. Jamaica. Or the United States vs. Hong Kong and Singapore. Or even Sweden vs. Greece. I could continue, but I think you get the point.
I will patiently wait for my left-wing friends to provide examples that support their perspective, but cobwebs will form before they fulfill my challenge.
In the meantime, here’s a video that explains the simple recipe that countries should follow if they want to enjoy growth and prosperity.
You’ll notice that the video heavily borrows from Economic Freedom of the World.
That’s no surprise. There’s no better source for making apples-to-apples comparisons to see whether countries are following good policy.
The bad news is that the United States has taken a dive in the wrong direction in these rankings.
When Bill Clinton left office, the United States had the world’s 3rd-freest economy. Today, thanks to years of statism under both Bush and Obama, we’ve dropped to #17.
This Lisa Benson cartoon is a very painful illustration of what’s happening.
America is copying the nations that are in deep trouble because of excessive government.
Which is the same message you find in this Glenn Foden cartoon and this Michael Ramirez cartoon.
But maybe some leftist can answer one or both of the questions above and we can stop worrying about the ever-expanding welfare state.
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Actually I have a solid answer for (1). South Korea. It became rich in the 60s to 80s, during a period of statist policy. Surely it was free compared to North Korea, but it was statist otherwise.
Quoth Wikipedia: Government initiatives played an important role in this process. Through the model of export-led industrialization, the South Korean government incentivized corporations to develop new technology and upgrade productive efficiency in order to compete in the highly-competitive, global market.[67] By adhering to state regulations and demands, firms were awarded subsidization and investment support to rapidly develop their export markets in the fast-paced, evolving international arena.[67] In addition, the inflow of foreign capital was greatly encouraged to supplement the shortage of domestic savings. These efforts enabled South Korea to achieve rapid growth in exports and subsequent increases in income.
[67] is a paper book so I can’t follow the trail, but sources generally do converge on these facts. The person behind this was Park Chung-hee, an authoritarian ruler.
One also has to note that the “less government intervention” recipe does sometimes produce spectacular failures. Russia in the 90s is a moderate example, Somalia (which some libertarians managed to praise) is an extreme one.
As for (2), would the past tense do? In 2001 to 2005 Belarus outperformed Ukraine. Right now the “smaller government” status of Ukraine is in serious dispute. (I am *not* claiming Belarus for (1)), But this is far less certain than my previous answer, as the status of Ukraine can be disputed for that time, too.
I did find one current case, though I had to dig into the Economic Freedom of the World index as I was not aware of the difference in rank. There are two European island nations, Ireland (rank 5) and Iceland (rank 76), and Iceland appears to be outperforming Ireland, though not by a huge amount. However, this might actually be the result of one particular highly statist act in Ireland (the bank guarantee) that was explicitly not done in Iceland. This might really be a problem with the index; Ireland might not deserve its rank because of the effects of the 2008 guarantee.
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