Back in 2010, I posted a fascinating map from the Economist website, showing debt burdens (as a share of GDP) for nations around the world. This data showed lots of red ink, with Western Europe generally being more indebted than the United States.
In 2011, I posted some charts from a study by the Bank for International Settlements, revealing that the long-run fiscal outlook for the United States is worse than the outlook for European nations.
In other words, our politicians to date haven’t over-spent as much as their counterparts in Europe, but it appears that – if government is left on auto-pilot – America will suffer more from excessive government than European nations in the future.
Here’s some new evidence about the perilous long-term state of public finances in America. According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the United States has to do more than almost every other nation to avoid becoming another Greece.
If this data is correct, the United States isn’t just in danger of becoming Greece. It’s actually in worse shape than Greece. Not just Greece, but every other European welfare state as well. That doesn’t bode well.
But time for some caveats. The OECD research mistakenly focuses on debt levels and what needs to happen to reduce red ink to a certain level. This isn’t a meaningless issue, but it puts the cart before the horse. What matters most is the size of government and the total burden of government spending – not whether it is financed with borrowing rather than taxes.
This doesn’t mean the long-run estimates are wrong. But if the focus is on the real problem of government spending, then it is much more apparent that the only feasible solution is to restrain the growth of government spending.
If the burden of government spending grows slower than the economy’s productive sector (i.e., Mitchell’s Golden Rule), then deficits and debt fall. To be blunt, if you cure the disease, the symptoms automatically disappear.
Which helps explain why I’m a fan of the Ryan budget, particularly his reforms to Medicare and Medicaid.
P.S. Regular readers know I’m not a fan of the OECD (for many reasons), but the economists at the Paris-based bureaucracy generally are competent at putting together good data. It goes without saying, of course, that this doesn’t justify raping taxpayers to subsidize economists.
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Actually Greece and Italy (ad Portugal and Spain) are doing pretty well in that graph.
My guess is as follows: these countries have to pay so much risk premium on their debt that they have to keep their primary deficit low just to avoid default. In fact, Italy already has a primary surplus if I am not mistaken.
So assuming that they do not default, then a small cut would be enough to see them through in the long term.
The trouble is, nobody in their political class is working to shift the terms of the debate like Reagan and Thatcher did; and “even were such treasures to be found, there is not enough public spirit to support them in their enterprise.” (Spot the quotation.)
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Men, let’s all put our arms on our partners shoulders and learn to kick dance like the Greeks.
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The numbers coupled with exit taxes and rejection of citizenship (i.e. part with family and relatives forever) being the only way to avoid taxation will make for an explosive end to the once most prosperous country on earth. Going against fundamentals with legislation that reduces incentives to work will only set Americans up for a fast and explosive situation. Under those circumstances, Francification could be instant once the the unstable equilibrium starts reversing.
At least in Greece – and in the EU – you can move your money from one country’s bank to another.
Not so here in the U S of A:
FATCA Act
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I should have noted the graph of borrowing is the change in total borrowing each year. Similarly here is the Gross Private Domestic Investment plotted vs the amount the government borrowed each year:
https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?graph_id=84679&category_id=0
Again of course the Federal Reserve stepped in buy up Treasury bills to allow a larger rise in government spending, and obviously many factors contribute to the way the curves go so these graphs just give a hint of the concerns.
The commenter prior to me I assume doesn’t read this site often. I recommend reading post from Mr. Mitchell on taxation and debt to get a better understanding of why rejecting increses in taxes are not “idiotic” and how debt is a burden that reduces growth.
Yes, spending is the most important concern..but borrowing money leads to more spending due to compounded interest expense. The willingness to borrow money allows them to spend more without the impact being seen. Its like the fact that most people have taxes withheld from their paycheck lets people tune out the amount of tax they pay so taxes rise more easily.
More importantly it isn’t simply the amount of resource extracted from the private sector that should be looked at (as if you were a Keynesian concerned only with aggregates and not details 🙂 ) but the method used to extract the resources. Different methods to extract resources from the private sector can vary in the type of harm they cause. Government borrowing directly puts the private sector in competition for investment. Each $ loaned to the federal government is a $ not invested in the private sector and that displacement matters. Here is a graph from the Federal Reserve showing corporate borrowing compared to federal borrowing:
https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?graph_id=84631&category_id=0
You’ll note that as federal borrowing goes up, corporate goes down. During the recent slowdown federal borrowing has gone up even more drastically.. which is part of why the Federal Reserve stepped in and bought up government debt. Taxes also effect investment (obviously resources used for government aren’t used in the private sector) but a bit more indirectly. Obviously the situation is complicated and many factors effect the data.
Yet according to the debt market, the U.S. is still among the most trusted nations in the world when it comes to repaying borrowed money. You conveniently left out any discussion of current borrowing costs which shows that the U.S. is issuing treasury debt for historically low interest rates. Additionally, Greece and most of Europe’s economies aren’t growing at all thanks to ill-conceived and premature efforts to reduce their debt and it is actually making their debt burdens larger.
You say you’re a fan of Ryan’s budget which, even if he uses his fake numbers, never balances the budget. If you assume his tax cuts will not be paid for (a very valid assumption since the GOP never pays for their tax cuts), then the deficit in 2022 will be over 4% of GDP which is larger than the other budget plans out there including Obama’s and Simpson-Bowles’.
Using the word “rape” to describe a tax that amounts to fractions of a penny per person is absolutely idiotic. Actually, it’s beyond idiotic. It’s offensive and shameful.