Is Obama a socialist?
If you’re asking whether he’s a big-spending interventionist, the answer is yes.
But if you’re asking whether the President believes in government ownership of the means of production (which is the defining issue in the socialist economic platform), the answer is no (though the White House surely won’t like how Thomas Sowell describes Obama’s ideology).
But I generally don’t care about these word fights. Big government is bad because it hurts people and relies on coercion, and that’s true whether we’re talking about socialism, communism, Nazism, corporatism, or other forms of statism.
But I do care for historical accuracy and honesty.
Writing for the U.K.-based Telegraph, Dan Hannan of the European Parliament explains that the German National Socialists of the Hitler era were….well, socialists.
Goebbels never doubted that he was a socialist. He understood Nazism to be a better and more plausible form of socialism than that propagated by Lenin. Instead of spreading itself across different nations, it would operate within the unit of the Volk. So total is the cultural victory of the modern Left that the merely to recount this fact is jarring.
Not that today’s leftists should be surprised. Unless, of course, they’re historically illiterate. After all, the Nazi political vehicle was the National Socialist German Workers Party.
Subsequent generations of Leftists have tried to explain away the awkward nomenclature of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party as either a cynical PR stunt or an embarrassing coincidence. In fact, the name meant what it said. Hitler…boasted, adding that “the whole of National Socialism” was “based on Marx”. Marx’s error, Hitler believed, had been to foster class war instead of national unity – to set workers against industrialists instead of conscripting both groups into a corporatist order. His aim, he told his economic adviser, Otto Wagener, was to “convert the German Volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists” – by which he meant the bankers and factory owners who could, he thought, serve socialism better by generating revenue for the state. …authoritarianism was the common feature of socialists of both National and Leninist varieties, who rushed to stick each other in prison camps or before firing squads. Each faction loathed the other as heretical, but both scorned free-market individualists as beyond redemption. Their battle was all the fiercer, as Hayek pointed out in 1944, because it was a battle between brothers.
In other words, Soviet-style socialism and Nazi-style socialism were both evil forms of statism, but one attracted people by fomenting class envy and the other sought recruits by demonizing non-Aryans.
Hannan hastens to add that he doesn’t think that modern self-proclaimed socialists are closet Nazis, but he does object to leftists who try to put National Socialists on the right side of the political spectrum.
The idea that Nazism is a more extreme form of conservatism has insinuated its way into popular culture. …What is it based on, this connection? Little beyond a jejune sense that Left-wing means compassionate and Right-wing means nasty and fascists are nasty. When written down like that, the notion sounds idiotic, but think of the groups around the world that the BBC, for example, calls “Right-wing”: the Taliban, who want communal ownership of goods; the Iranian revolutionaries, who…seized industries and destroyed the middle class; Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who pined for Stalinism. The “Nazis-were-far-Right” shtick is a symptom of the wider notion that “Right-wing” is a synonym for “baddie”.
Citing the comprehensive work of Jonah Goldberg, Hannan’s column then makes a key point about government coercion.
Authoritarianism – or, to give it a less loaded name, the belief that state compulsion is justified in pursuit of a higher goal, such as scientific progress or greater equality – was traditionally a characteristic of the social democrats as much as of the revolutionaries. Jonah Goldberg has chronicled the phenomenon at length in his magnum opus, Liberal Fascism. Lots of people take offence at his title, evidently without reading the book since, in the first few pages, Jonah reveals that the phrase is not his own. He is quoting that impeccable progressive H.G. Wells who, in 1932, told the Young Liberals that they must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis”.
To be fair, this doesn’t mean Wells was a horrible person, at least in the sense of embracing Hitlerism. In the early 1930s, the fascist policies of Mussolini and Hitler were simply about government intervention. At that point, few people recognized that racism and anti-Semitism were part of the fascist program.
I’m much more likely to be critical of people who make excuses for communism still today. Do they really want to romanticize an ideology that killed tens of millions of innocent people?!?
And it’s disgusting that people wear Che Guevara t-shirts when he was a brutal enforcer of Cuba’s totalitarian regime.
P.S. On a lighter note, here’s the “bread-ish” difference between socialism and capitalism.
P.P.S. Regarding European socialism, we have great (although technically inaccurate) cartoons from Glenn Foden and Michael Ramirez.
P.P.P.S. Here’s socialism for kids, though it’s really class warfare for kids.
P.P.P.P.S. And here’s what happens when you try socialism in the classroom.
P.P.P.P.P.S. Closing on a serious note, John Mackey and Steve Horwitz agree with Thomas Sowell about Obama’s real economic ideology.
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Zudem ist es in südlichen Länder mittags oft so heiß, dass man mehr Lust auf einen Snack als auf ein deftiges Essen hat.
Fettstoffwechsel aktivieren kann man gezielt am besten mit einer
auf das persönliche Leistungsvermögen angepasste, moderate Bewegung.
Alle wirken sich positiv auf die Gesundheit aus und können Krankheiten vorbeugen – doch keine der Ernährungs-Formen garantiert
einen speziellen Nutzen.
Ebenso senkt Olivenöl den leicht erhöhten Blutdruck (durch ungesättigte Fettsäuren) und beugt Herz-Kreislauferkrankungen vor.
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Sorry, but if someone does not believe the United States is a socialist country, they have never run a business. http://miltonchurchill.com/2015/11/12/is-the-united-states-a-socialist-country/
Best definition I heard about the differences was as follows: Communism is where the Government OWNS THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION (courtesy of Lenin); whereas socialism or fascism is where the GoverNment OWNS THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION (Unfortunately can’t remember who said the latter) (think Hitler who allowed the factory owners to make money as long as they obeyed his directives)
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Nice analysis, I have always thought that the battle in Germany in the late 20s and early 30s was simply a street fight between two gangs, both of which had the pretty much the same philosophy in terms of ruling. It is similar to the current Mexican gangs in the U.S. and Mexico, the Nortenos and Surrenos. Both pretty much operate the same and the only difference is the gang colors.
Nach den Personal und Possessive Pronouns werde ich nun mit unterschiedlichen Verben und Nomen und dem bilden von einfachen Sätzen anfangen.
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I served on Okinawa… I stood on suicide cliff… I visited the cave of the virgins… the Okinawan and Japanese people always treated me with hospitality and respect…. that said… the ugly side of statist ideology is expressed here…don’t read it unless you have a strong stomach… and a lust for truth….
“Unbroken: Japan Still in Deep Denial Over Cannibalism Against US Soldiers”
December 13, 2014 by Daniel Greenfield
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/unbroken-japan-still-in-deep-denial-over-cannibalism-against-us-soldiers/
it’s interesting to make some comparisons…. in 1933 the Reichstag burned… the National Socialist German Workers Party used the event to consolidate power… and suspend civil liberties in the interests of “protecting” the German people…. sound familiar?
in 1939 the National Socialist German Workers Party imitated action “T-4″… a government panel… of 3 medical professionals were tasked with deciding who had a life worth living…. and who did not…. in effect…. a death panel…again… something we have heard about before?
that crop of statists gave us genocide…. they gave us Auschwitz… Balzac… and Treblinka… they gave us terrorist tactics…. 40 million? 50 million people lost their lives in the conflict… all because of statist ideology…
“when I look up at the sky… I somehow feel that everything will change for the better… that this cruelty will end… that peace and tranquility will return once more…”
Ann Frank…
she died in Bergen-Belsen… at the hands of statist Nazis….
Ruling by regulation is the modus operandi of the socialsts/communists. A current example of this is global warming whereby the fuel of production, rather than the means becomes regulated. Any fossil based fules come under the exclusive regulatory authority of the government, and by government fiat, can be eliminated, such as coal burning power plants, the means of transporting oil, (keystone pipeline), or the means of oil production by prohibiting fracking. All of this fits perfectly into the socialst agenda, which Obama actively promotes. Sure smells like a socialist/communist to me.
In Civics class in the 50’s Robert Evans taught us that the spectrum of political left and right when exaggerated meet making a circle. He demonstrated this by using his left hand and his right hand then bringing them together in a circle where they meet with fascism and communism coming together with equal damage.
There is a fundamental contradiction in the worldview of American liberals which has revealed itself over the past few weeks in Ferguson and NYC.
The everyday liberal who wants the government to do more, spend more, and provide more – and do it by force of law – largely despises the very mechanism through which laws are enforced: the police.
One wonders whether their determination to label those events as racism, when no evidence exists that the individuals directly involved were racist, is just to protect them from confronting the reality that government is, by definition, force. And unchecked force, i.e. absolute force, can get out of hand.
And, by the way, this definition of socialism as “owning the means of production” serves them perfectly because it allows them to dodge the label while they keep marching us down Hayek’s Road.
People seem to forget that Hitler and Stalin were allies prior to the double-cross Hitler pulled on his partner. They both invaded Poland at the same time (one from each end and pretty much met in the middle of Poland) and if Hitler would have not invaded Russia, Stalin would have invaded Germany after Germany had finished off England (Papers left behind after the death of Stalin indicate this; he was waiting for Germany and England to weaken each other). It is clear that Stalin and Hitler were both on the same wave length; the acquisition of power for the sake of power and the destruction of democracy was a necessary first step in the process.
Today’s socialists have found a way to bring about their ends through a means other than direct ownership of the means of production. They do not need to OWN light bulb factories to decide what type of light bulbs will be built and sold. They do not need to be in the toilet manufacturing business to decide how much water is to be used with each flush. They do not have to sell health insurance to determine what type of health insurance must be bought. They can control all of that through the mandate of government regulation.
What they are doing now is an even better form of socialism than owning the means of production. This way, when things go bad, they have someone else to blame for the failures. Just look at the financial crisis precipitated in 2008; greedy Wall Street was the sole cause. Government would have stopped / prevented the crisis (notably a crisis the bureaucrats did not even see coming just weeks before it crashed) if it hadn’t been for the evil Republicans standing up for the profit-seekers and removing all forms of regulation.
For the socialists, today’s version is the best of all worlds.
I am posting the lead to this article as it is one of the best I have ever read and puts a whole lot of pieces together. Peter Courtenay Stephens Subject: [New post] Government Coercion Is the Common Link between Nazism, Communism, and other forms of Socialism
WordPress.com Dan Mitchell posted: “Is Obama a socialist? If you’re asking whether he’s a big-spending interventionist, the answer is yes. But if you’re asking whether the President believes in government ownership of the means of production (which is the defining issue in the sociali”
“I’m much more likely to be critical of people who make excuses for communism still today. Do they really want to romanticize an ideology that killed tens of millions of innocent people?!?”
The truth is: That the Socialists, regardless of what denomination, from 1917 until today, have slaughtered, butchered and mass murdered 200 million, Men, Women and Children, some put it upwards of 230 million , and enslaved over 2 billion.
Thank you for this excellent article. It should be required reading for every high school and college student in America !
Sic Semper Tyrannis !
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I think it is a mistake to focus on Marx’s view of economics when asking the question of whether President Obama is a Marxist. A more pertinent question in 2014 and throughout his adult life is “Has President Obama been a stong advocate for using education policy to implement the Marxist theory of the Mind?” http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/political-primer-101-what-is-the-marxist-theory-of-the-mind-and-why-does-it-matter-in-2012/ The answer is clearly yes going back to his Board membership of the Joyce Foundation and his leadership of the Annenberg Challenge. It also matters that Chicago was where the Standards for Teaching and Learning were created in the early 90s. That is the term the President uses instead of the Common Core.
Moreover Marxists fundamentally believe in cultural evolution to change prevailing attitudes, values, and beliefs through education. In the 21st Century it is Marx’s Theory of History that is far more their focus than his lousy economic theories. That’s what all the hyping of Change Agents is about. Marxian Makers of Historical Progression.
Finally, Marx and Engels were obsessed with a magic technology that capitalism would produce that would enable a needs-oriented redistribution economy. That magic technology is ICT and it guides both this Administration’s and the UN’s current advocated policies. It’s not just redistribution from rich to poor, but from prosperous cities to rural areas or destitute urban areas like Detroit.
Uncle Karl is more alive than ever unfortunately. Many times the policies though use a better sales pitch to obscure the origins.