A reader from overseas wonders about my views on immigration, particularly amnesty.
I confess that this is one of those issues where I’m conflicted.
On the general topic of immigration, I think the United States has benefited in the past – and can benefit in the future – from newcomers. And I express that position in this interview for Fox Business News.
But the real issue, which isn’t addressed in the interview, is magnitude. I assume almost nobody wants zero immigration. On the other hand, I also assume that very few people favor totally open borders.
So where do we draw the line? I think we should welcome lots of immigration, particularly people with skills, education, and money. This is the approach that is used to varying degrees by nations such as Australia, Canada, and Switzerland, and I wrote favorably about a similar proposal by Congressman Jared Polis, a Democrat from Colorado.
And I think substantial numbers of low-skilled people who want to work also should be welcome, but I don’t think everybody in the world who wants to come to America should have that right. I haven’t met more than a tiny handful of folks who disagree with Walter Williams’ assertion that, “not…everyone on the planet had a right to live in the U.S.”
Particularly since politicians have redistribution systems that can lure people into a life of dependency. Which is presumably why Milton Friedman warned, to the dismay of some other libertarians, “You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.”
Even the Wall Street Journal, which is a leading voice for both increased immigration and amnesty for existing illegals, also is concerned that a growing welfare state could attract immigrants for the wrong reasons.
Speaking of amnesty, I suppose I should answer the question of how I would deal with people who are in the country illegally? And my response probably depends whether I answer with my heart or my head.
My heart tells me to give these people the benefit of the doubt. Every illegal I’ve met seems to be a good person. And I know if I lived someplace like Mexico, Somalia, or Honduras, I almost certainly would want to improve my family’s position by getting to America, legally or illegally.
On the other hand, I believe in the rule of law and I’m a bit uncomfortable rewarding those who jumped the line at the expense of those who followed the rules.
And to be perfectly honest, I also worry about the political implications of any policy that increases the number of people who – on net – will vote for redistribution. I could do without the partisan implications, but this Chuck Asay cartoon captures my concerns.
I also think that people respond to incentives. Another round of amnesty almost surely will encourage further illegal immigration. Putting myself in the position of a poor person in the developing world, I would logically conclude that it would just be a matter of time, so I would sneak across the border in order to take advantage of that future amnesty.
That doesn’t strike me as a good approach. Far better to figure out how to genuinely reform the system.
By the way, a senior staffer on Capitol Hill floated to me the idea of a new status that enables illegals to stay in the country, but bars them from citizenship unless they get in line and follow the rules. I’m definitely not familiar with the fault lines on these issues, but perhaps that could be a good compromise.
And it goes without saying that I want the strictest possible limits on access to welfare programs and other government handouts for immigrants, regardless of their status.
So, like everybody else, I want border security and some form of legalization as part of a new system that brings people to America for the right reason. See, I’m the epitome of reasonableness.
P.S. If you want to enjoy some immigration-related humor, we have a video about Americans migrating to Peru and a story about American leftists escaping to Canada.
P.P.S. On the issue of birthright citizenship, I’ve shared some interesting analysis from Will Wilkinson and George Will.
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Really, honestly make an attempt to control the border. Make it unattractive to come here by busting the employers. Begin the deportation of illegals ASAP.
It is interesting to me that the Fed’s think they can control and register 100 million gun owners and 300 million guns (and countless magazines!), but they cannot possibly do a thing with 12 million (by their count) illegals.
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You bet the United States has benefited from immigration in the past. In fact there wouldn’t be a United States if it weren’t for immigration. I know this in my bones since I’m a US citizen (born in Seattle) who emigrated many generations later back to one of her ancestral countries, France. I may have a funny accent here but I look just like everybody else. Just call me a “stealth migrant.”
As I watch the US immigration debate from across the ocean, it seems to me that the discussion would benefit from a larger view. The world is very different today than it was in the heyday of mass migration from the Europe to the “settler colonies” like the US, Canada, Australia. 20 years ago almost everyone I met abroad wanted to try his luck in the US. Today, the picture is very different and I meet as many people trying to get into the EU or Canada as the US. This is a global competition for talent and the US is no longer THE destination. If we take into account as well the changing demographics of many sending countries, it becomes clear that many countries that have surplus population to send today won’t have it in the future and that’s bad news for the US since the native birthrate has dropped.
And finally one can’t really talk about immigration without talking about emigration. Flows in and flows out. There are about 120,000 registered French citizens in the US. There are 100,000 US citizens in France. The American community abroad is growing (estimated at about 6 million today). Some are “sojourners” but many are “settlers” like myself who are quasi-permanent residents.
A few months ago I had a chat with my Algerian taxi driver who asked me, “À quoi rêvent les américains?” (What do Americans dream of?) My reply is in this post Emigrant Dreams http://thefranco-americanflophouse.blogspot.fr/2012/09/emigrant-dreams.html
My own daughters who are dual US/French citizens by birth but who were born and raised abroad have thus far opted for Canada for university and the younger who plans on studying math/physics (STEM), has every intention of heading for Asia after she gets her degree. They may end up in the US eventually but I wouldn’t take that for granted. Both are well aware however that their US passports don’t buy them much abroad – poor political representation in the US, a lifetime of paying US taxes even when they are living abroad and no real incentives to return to the US (no deals for returning Americans for university for example which might have encouraged them to look harder at US universities). Something to think about.
I firmly believe that brain circulation is a Good Thing. What is missing here in the US debate is how emigration can be to the benefit of the homeland (just as immigration is), how retention is problematic for the 10% of migrants who are considered “highly-qualified and have their choice of destinations, and how one of America’s best unknown resources, Americans and their American children abroad, could be helpful here provided we could work out both the representation and taxation issues with the homeland.
Mr. Richards,
…lost in translation …or text actually: -sarcasm
James, good point, in a way. But haven’t we already shown them the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? And that didn’t take.
For too long, the world has emptied its sewers into this country. Immigration ought to have been ended at least in nineteen hundred-and-twenty-four, when a congressman said – and here I paraphrase – that he would not admit more immigrants to this country, no matter what might be their skills, as it would eventually destroy the national culture, and with it, national unity. How right he was!
If you are serious about doing away with the “welfare state,” you may easily keep other Libertarian values. If open borders would eventually overburden the welfare state, then open borders should be pursued as a viable strategy to effect the result of a deceased welfare state. Why waste so much effort trying to convince people that a welfare state doesn’t work, when you can simply show them? …as if it has never happened before no less.
@simon
That is complete BS. You obviously know nothing of the process. My wife is a legal immigrant. It’s cost us quite a bit of money. It’s been stressful as we know if for any reason she was rejected she would have to go back (meaning we would all go back). It took a few months and there are many pitfalls including lawyers who are willing to take your money for unnecessary forms and procedures. The “line” is a few months long. That’s the time we submit the final forms and documentation (which includes evidence of lack of a criminal record, evidence of support, and evidence of no infectious diseases) to the time we got interviewed, which began and ended with our son, proving it was not a fictitious marriage and that she was not a terrorist. You want to cut any of that? You want criminals or infectious diseases or more ppl unable to feed themselves? And the interview was just to prove she hadn’t lied.
Simon, there is indeed a line. My wife’s parents waited almost 5 years to get their green cards. They moved here with more than enough money for their retirement and take nothing from the system, but lost 5 quality years waiting to get here. That, to me, is a line.
I think we should know who is coming here. Why they are. What are they going to contribute and we need background checks so that criminals and the cartels are not let in. I think this is just a way for Obama to increase his army to take over America. It is for the votes but not just for that. It is to give him more power over us. I don’t agree with mass immigration in anyway. It does nothing for us and I don’t believe any politician who says that this is good for our country. That is a lie.
“I believe in the rule of law and I’m a bit uncomfortable rewarding those who jumped the line at the expense of those who followed the rules.” – doesn’t make any sense, just repeating common yet meaningless refrain. There is no “line” to jump, and it’s not at anyone expense.
From my personal experience with the UK immigration system I would modify the cartoon to reflect the fact that if you actually want to come legally you have to climb a mountain while all does doing shady things and scamming the refugee system get a free pass. It is expensive and frustrating.
But policy can’t be personal preferences and you can’t accept everyone, the standards you choose are reasonable and would help people who are actually helpful to come and be part of America.
Because for all the sob stories the bleeding heart like to make about immigrants, I know for a fact that some are your just making up fake refugee status, scamming welfare and enjoying the good life on the back of the taxpayer besides contributing to crime. Pretending otherwise is not helpful either.
Even my most obstinate friends agree on one thing – the real problem with illegal immigration is the possiblilty that our tax dollars may go to support someone not paying taxes.
If they’re working and paying taxes to support the system, I’m in favor of a modified path to citizenship.