I’ve been having fun in recent months by comparing some of the foolish decisions of politicians and bureaucrats in the United States and United Kingdom. Here’s part of what I wrote in early January.
In June of last year, I posted several examples of idiotic government policy from both the United States and United Kingdom and asked which nation had the dumbest bureaucrats and politicians.
Since then, we have found new examples of brain-dead government and jaw-dropping political correctness from England, including an effort to stop children from watching Olympic shooting events and (what must be) the most pointless sign in the history of the world.
But American politicians have been busy as well in recent months, with impressive displays of incompetence and stupidity such as preventing a girl from boarding a plane because her purse had an image of a gun and a local school calling the police because a little girl kissed a little boy in gym class.
These examples are so absurd that one hopes the reporters somehow screwed up and get their stories wrong.
But now, thanks to a story sent by a friend, I’ve come to the conclusion that there is no limit to stupid and clueless behavior by government. Here are some of the mind-bogglingly unbelievable details from an English-language Greek news site.
It took 10 months, a fat bundle of paperwork, countless certificates, long hours of haggling with bureaucrats and overcoming myriad other inconceivable obstacles for one group of young entrepreneurs to open an online store. …opening an online store based in Greece is no job for the fainthearted. …Antonopoulos and his partners spent hours collecting papers from tax offices, the Athens Chamber of Commerce and Industry, the municipal service where the company is based, the health inspector’s office, the fire department and banks. At the health department, they were told that all the shareholders of the company would have to provide chest X-rays, and, in the most surreal demand of all, stool samples.
As you can imagine, I think it’s ridiculous that a business has to take 10 months to get permission to operate. You also can guess that I’m shaking my head with dismay at all the regulatory hurdles. And I am utterly dumbfounded that you need to submit chest X-rays to open an online store.
But I can’t even begin to describe my reaction to the requirement for stool samples. I was tempted to write the previous sentence in ALL CAPS. I also thought about unleashing my inner teenager and writing WTF, OMG, and LMAO.

New Symbol of the Greek Government?
I confess, though, that I’m not quite sure what to write. It’s as if we’ve passed into a parallel dimension where parody and satire have become superfluous.
The only thing that rivals this is the story about the Greek government deciding that pedophiles deserve disability payments.
And to add insult to injury, the politicians from Europe and elsewhere are processing yet another bailout for this wasteful and spendthrift government.
Some people thought I was being a bit over-the-top when I did an interview and said the Greeks shouldn’t be allowed to “loot and mooch their way through life.”
But I think I understated the problem. Brainless policy choices are probably the inevitable result of having so many bureaucrats that they resort to asking for stool samples to justify their pointless and empty lives.
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Here in America, we have re-named our “stool samples” to “Pelosi’s”…
You have to pass them before you can see what’s in them.
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Well said Dude!
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Dan, You need to also work on restraining corporations. The problem in the US is not limited to government bureaucracy. Corporations are now starting to behave as stupid as government entities.
I bet they don’t even check the stool samples. They could probably submit stool samples from a dog, and no one would even notice.
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Maybe instead of “stool samples” they could just submit an IKEA catalog?
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I agree – not only the Greeks, but people in general shouldn’t be able to “loot and mooch” their way thru life facilitated by government doing the looting.
But soon there won’t be any more money to loot as who will lend to them less they endanger their own country and banks? I’m afraid the US Federal Reserve will do just that (not directly of course, but via some emergency loan facility to an intermediary like the ECB).
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Well as the saying goes: Sh*t happens and then you…. open an online store?
“You think Greece is bad? Brother, you ain’t see the half of it. Just wait until ObamaCare gets fully implemented: you’ll be forced to give blood, stool, and DNA samples to work, get a passport, or shop online. (Of course, requiring ID to vote will still be an affront to God and democracy.)”
Or to vote in a primary or general election?
“And to add insult to injury, the politicians from Europe and elsewhere are processing yet another bailout for this wasteful and spendthrift government.”
Think about that for a moment – they’re looking to get a SECOND bailout.
Its already happening here, right in our fine, shining city on the hill (where else?). See this article about the unbelievable the inane San Francisco bureaucracy makes one jump through to open a business (published in a local left-wing rag, no less):
http://www.baycitizen.org/columns/scott-james/2-years-rules-and-permits-later-ice-shop/
I don’t take too much issue with bureaucrats demanding stool samples. As long as I can deliver it directly into the requesting party’s hand.
When I compared the Greek government’s mess to the Aegean Stables it was supposed to be a metaphor …
Mike is right and it’s already started.
Try to refuse to give height and weight at your yearly physical. It’s now mandated by the govenrment in order for your internist to get paid. On the way to tracking you and nudging you if your BMI isn’t in the government approved range.
Dan, would that symbol also go with the motto, “Don’t tread on me”?
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“The Secretary shall determine” is in legislation affecting not just health care but almost everything in this country that is regulated. It’s a device wherein our legislators attempt to surrender their legislative responsibilities to unelected bureaucrats. The whole lot of them should be declared unconstitutional because nothing that’s not passed by the Congress should have the force of law.
The requirements for a chest Xray, etc., are so surreal that I ran it by someone who is a wiz at figuring out what the heck bureaucrats, both private and government, are thinking about when they truly bust a fuse and come up with something completely off the wall. It took only half a minute for her to suggest that it must have something to do with handling food — and sure enough, the proposed online store is called http://www.oliveshop.com (see the original post at http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite2_1_21/02/2012_429208)
As for the “shareholders” needing to prove they are healthy enough to sell food, I think somewhere along the line the idea of “shareholders” was confused with “retailers” or “suppliers”. With regard to the stupidity of the regulation, it’s obvious that the best way to check for germs in the olives is to check the olives rather than the food handlers — assuming that even needs to be done …
You think Greece is bad? Brother, you ain’t see the half of it. Just wait until ObamaCare gets fully implemented: you’ll be forced to give blood, stool, and DNA samples to work, get a passport, or shop online. (Of course, requiring ID to vote will still be an affront to God and democracy.)
Remember: “The Secretary shall determine…” is the most common operative clause in the ObamaCare legislation. Think of the most ridiculous thing imaginable, and it will be likely be “determined” as necessary at some future date.
Why does this behavior surprise anyone? Bureaucrats are people too and they need to justify their duties and responsibilities no matter how surreal. I am a government worker and I make people fill out a form. It is a form that is utterly pointless and inane but it is required. Nobody looks at the form, nobody tracks the form but we all fill it out. I know because I collect the form at the end of the year and throw it out. It is the nature of bureaucracy to make work.
Everybody knows the answer to the problem and we all wonder why its not implemented. The answer is having a balanced budget, reining in the powers of the government and having a flat tax.
Oddly enough it was a bunch of lawyers, landowners and assorted people that came up with the functions of government. Roughly about 200 years ago, they said, “insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare and
secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.”
Can’t get much better or succinct than that. But it will never happen because no one wishes to have their powers reined in.
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In Greece, a finished house is subject to onerous tax rates. A house that is under construction does not have any taxes assessed. Across the whole country, the majority of houses have additions, porches, wings, add-ons in various stages of contruction which get token work done and which will never ve finished. People that work for income pay onerous tax rates. People that work on the side in exchange for a nice gift or “token of appreciation” pay no taxes. Across the country, there are almost no companies that do contracted work, except for those that do work on government projects. The rest of the country does work under the table. People change their behavior in repsonse to being taxed.
Just like here.
And America’s political class takes a back seat to NOONE in terms of being useless.