Move over, Crazy Bernie, you’re no longer the left’s heartthrob. You’ve been replaced by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, an out-of-the-closet socialist from New York City who will enter Congress next January after beating a member of the Democratic leadership.
Referring to the boomlet she’s created, I’ve already written about why young people are deluded if they think bigger government is the answer, and I also pointed out that Norway is hardly a role model for “Democratic socialism.”
And in this brief snippet, I also pointed out she’s wrong to think that you can reduce corporate cronyism by giving government even more power over the economy.
But there’s a much bigger, more important, point to make.
Ms. Ocasio-Cortez wants a radical expansion in the size of the federal government. But, as noted in the Washington Examiner, she has no idea how to pay for it.
Consider…how she responded this week when she was asked on “The Daily Show” to explain how she intends to pay for her Democratic Socialism-friendly policies, including her Medicare for All agenda. “If people pay their fair share,” Ocasio-Cortez responded,
“if corporations paid — if we reverse the tax bill, raised our corporate tax rate to 28 percent … if we do those two things and also close some of those loopholes, that’s $2 trillion right there. That’s $2 trillion in ten years.” She should probably confer with Democratic Socialist-in-arms Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., whose most optimistic projections ($1.38 trillion per year) place the cost of Medicare for All at roughly $14 trillion over a ten-year period. Two trillion in ten years obviously puts Ocasio-Cortez a long way away from realistically financing a Medicare for All program, which is why she also proposes carbon taxes. How much she expects to raise from this tax she didn’t say.
To be fair, Bernie Sanders also didn’t have a good answer when asked how he would pay for all the handouts he advocated.
To help her out, some folks on the left have suggested alternative ways of answering the question about financing.
I used to play basketball with Chris Hayes of MSNBC. He’s a very good player (far better than me, though that’s a low bar to clear), but I don’t think he scores many points with this answer.
Indeed, Professor Glenn Reynolds of the University of Tennessee Law School required only seven words to point out the essential flaw in Hayes’ approach.
Simply stated, there’s no guarantee that a rich country will always stay rich.
I wrote earlier this month about the importance of long-run economic growth and pointed out that the United States would be almost as poor as Mexico today if growth was just one-percentage point less every year starting in 1895.
That was just a hypothetical exercise.
There are some very sobering real-world examples. For instance, Nima Sanandaji pointed out this his country of Sweden used to be the world’s 4th-richest nation. But it has slipped in the rankings ever since the welfare state was imposed.
Venezuela is another case study, as Glenn Reynolds noted.
Indeed, according to NationMaster, it was the world’s 4th-richest country, based on per-capita GDP, in 1950.
For what it’s worth, I’m not familiar with this source, so I’m not sure I trust the numbers. Or maybe Venezuela ranked artificially high because of oil production.
But even if one uses the Maddison database, Venezuela was ranked about #30 in 1950, which is still impressive.
Today, of course, Venezuela is ranked much lower. Decades of bad policy have led to decades of sub-par economic performance. And as Venezuela stagnated, other nations become richer.
So Glenn’s point hits the nail on the head. A relatively rich nation became a relatively poor nation. Why? Because it adopted the statist policies favored by Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
I want to conclude, though, with an even better example.
More than seven years ago, I pointed out that Argentina used to be one of the world’s richest nations, ranking as high as #10 in the 1930s and 1940s (see chart to right).
Sadly, decades of Peronist policies exacted a heavy toll, which dropped Argentina to about #45 in 2008.
Well, I just checked the latest Maddison numbers and Argentina is now down to #62. I was too lazy to re-crunch all the numbers, so you’ll have to be satisfied with modifications to my 2011 chart.
The reverse is true as well. There are many nations that used to be poor, but now are rich thanks to the right kind of policies.
The bottom line is that no country is destined to be rich and no country is doomed to poverty. It’s simply a question of whether they follow the right recipe for growth and prosperity.
[…] not change the fact that the country has a far-too-heavy burden of government. Politicians have turned a rich country into a basket case. And the situation seems to get worse every year, even when supposedly right-leaning governments […]
[…] the bad news is that Argentina needs to go way beyond incremental reform. The country has dropped precipitously since Peronism began after World War II. Rejuvenating the economy will require radical […]
[…] the bad news is that Argentina needs to go way beyond incremental reform. The country has dropped precipitously since Peronism began after World War II. Rejuvenating the economy will require radical […]
[…] not change the fact that the country has a far-too-heavy burden of government. Politicians have turned a rich country into a basket case. And the situation seems to get worse every year, even when supposedly right-leaning governments […]
[…] P.S. I’ll add some worrisome news. The left in Chile wants a new constitution that would give politicians more power over the economy. If that effort is successful, I fear the country will suffer Argentinian–style decline. […]
[…] P.S. I’ll add some worrisome news. The left in Chile wants a new constitution that would give politicians more power over the economy. If that effort is successful, I fear the country will suffer Argentinian–style decline. […]
[…] P.S. I’ll add some worrisome news. The left in Chile wants a new constitution that would give politicians more power over the economy. If that effort is successful, I fear the country will suffer Argentinian–style decline. […]
[…] P.S. I’ll add some worrisome news. The left in Chile wants a new constitution that would give politicians more power over the economy. If that effort is successful, I fear the country will suffer Argentinian–style decline. […]
[…] There’s a very sobering example of what happens when a rich nation decides to dramatically curtail economic […]
[…] There’s a very sobering example of what happens when a rich nation decides to dramatically curtail economic […]
[…] For instance, convergence is a sensible theory, but the rate of convergence (or divergence!) is very dependent on the degree to which nations have good policy (or bad policy). […]
[…] stated, if a government imposes enough bad policies – as has been the case in Argentina – then it’s just a matter of time before it declines relative to nations with sensible […]
[…] leftists are guilty of well-meaning naivete. Basically they think like Chris Hayes of MSNBC, who infamously tweeted that we can afford bigger government because, “We’re a very rich country. We’ll […]
[…] de vida relativos del país comenzaran a disminuir de manera constante, lo que nos brinda una dolorosa lección de que las naciones ricas que adoptan una mala política no siguen siendo […]
[…] it would be a good idea to see how quickly the U.S. could become Venezuela. As I pointed out when writing about Argentina, it’s possible for a rich country to tax, spend, and regulate itself into economic […]
[…] either evidence of excessive pay for people in government or evidence of a private sector stifled by too much government. Or […]
[…] The bottom line – assuming you want to improve the lives of people in poor nation – is that the world needs more capitalism and less government. […]
[…] Traditional economics, specifically convergence theory, tells us that poor nations should grow faster than rich nations. […]
[…] the country’s relative living standards then began a steady decline, thus providing us with a painful lesson that rich nations that adopt bad policy don’t remain […]
[…] But this ignores the fact that rich nations that adopt big government slowly but surely cease to be rich nations. […]
[…] is a sobering example of how statist policies can turn a rich nation into a poor nation. …After World War II, […]
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[…] is a sobering example of how statist policies can turn a rich nation into a poor […]
[…] also worth noting how nations such as Argentina, Venezuela, and Cuba have enjoyed very little income growth over the past 40 […]
[…] Don’t forget that comparatively rich nations can de-converge if they adopt bad […]
[…] also worth noting how nations such as Argentina, Venezuela, and Cuba have enjoyed very little income growth over the past 40 […]
[…] the third place article is my analysis of how rich nations can become poor nations with bad […]
[…] If there was a prize for the most short-sighted, naive, and anti-empirical tweet, this example would win the […]
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[…] there is no example of a poor nation becoming rich with big-government policies (though we have tragic examples of rich nations becoming poor with […]
[…] it also explains why some nations with awful policy are […]
Dan Mitchell’s work is solid enough within the bounds of the frame of reference that he operates within.
It’s a shame that he runs into the McNammara fallacy before he can even discover that there is a border.
A crying shame.
[…] key insight of international economics is that there should be “convergence” between rich countries and poor countries, which is just another way of saying that low-income nations—all other […]
[…] Second, statist policies eventually and inevitably will reduce a nation’s prosperity. […]
[…] I’ll close by asking critics of capitalism to give just one accurate answer to my two-question challenge. Or, if that’s too difficult, create the left-wing version of this chart. […]
[…] corn delivers a farmer to poverty. Daniel J. Mitchell puts it bluntly in a piece entitled “Rich Nations That Enact Big Government Don’t Remain Rich“. This is nowhere more obvious than in Argentina and Venezuela, two nations that were […]
“Life Under Socialism in Venezuela: Nasty, Brutish, and Stinky”
BY MICHAEL WALSH
https://pjmedia.com/trending/life-under-socialism-in-venezuela-nasty-brutish-and-stinky/
[…] key insight of international economics is that there should be “convergence” between rich countries and poor countries, which is just another way of saying that low-income nations – all other […]
Well said! Thanks for the links to other materials too!
[…] I tell them that they’re being too literal. That’s not how humor works. Moreover, if they want to have a debate on the real-world consequences of socialism, I’m happy to do that. […]
Socialism and Communism would work if people behaved like ants…the problem is people are not ants…
Babington, I have had a few people tell me, no, prosperity is just due to technology. I don’t understand that mindset. What, technology automatically springs up and benefits the masses whether or not society has rule of law, property rights, economic freedom, etc? Makes no sense to me. Technology is the output that comes from having the right inputs.
Here is a link to my recent post on the history of prosperity and what I think is the ‘recipe’ for prosperity:
https://caseforcapitalism.wordpress.com/2018/07/12/the-history-of-prosperity-1-of-2/
And Donald Trump is the guy to keep America growing.
Why do leftists like Hayes think that prosperity will continue (e.g., that wealth will remain available for redistribution), no matter how much economic policy is changed?
The main reason, I suggest, is that they think prosperity is determined almost entirely by technology. Since changing economic policy (e.g., raising taxes) doesn’t make already-existing technology disappear, there’s no reason, they think, why prosperity won’t continue.
A secondary reason may be their thinking that wealth is a stock, like a bag of sand, that will continue existing even if you do nothing, rather than a flow that requires constant effort to keep going.
1. BAD TIMES MAKE GOOD MEN
2. GOOD TIMES MAKE BAD MEN.
3. BAD MEN MAKE BAD TIMES.
Rinse and repeat.
It’s the Underpants Gnome model of governance:
1> Spend lots of Other People’s Money.
2> ????????
3> UTOPIA!!
Very, very cute Mr. Mitchell. I see you used a tool of white privilege to make your point; Math.
As one whose family escaped the statist policies under the secularist in Turkey, I can vouch that poor countries can become rich once they dump socialism.
From the bottom of the barrel to the 15th largest economy in the world. All with no major resources.
[…] Hayes doesn’t seem to understand either how a country becomes, or remains […]
“The trouble/problem with socialism is that eventually, you run out of other people’s money.” Margaret Thatcher.
What is it about being a wealthy democratic country that can lead to its people voting themselves into penury? It is like having reached a particular level of wealth, the populace try to shoot for the moon in terms of well being, but miss the mark terribly. I wonder sometimes if that tendency will one day actually succeed when production of basic goods becomes even more efficient and effective that it is today.
[…] https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2018/07/29/rich-nations-that-enact-big-government-dont-remain-… […]
Evidently, just about everyone in government loves the idea of taking people’s money. “Thou shall not steal” and “Thou shall not covet” … good ideas from long ago.