I wanted California to decriminalize marijuana because I believe in freedom. Smoking pot may not be a wise choice in many cases, but it’s not the role of government to dictate private behavior so long as people aren’t violating the rights of others.
Politicians, by contrast, are interested in legalization because they see dollar signs. They want to tax marijuana consumption to they can have more money to spend (I half-joked that this was a reason to keep it illegal, but that’s a separate issue).
Lawmakers need to realize, though, that the Laffer Curve is very real. They may not like it, but there’s very strong evidence that imposing lots of taxes does not necessarily mean collecting lots of revenue. Especially when tax rates are onerous.
Here’s some of what the AP recently reported about California’s experiment with taxing pot.
So far, the sale of legal marijuana in California isn’t bringing in the green stuff. Broad legal sales kicked off on Jan. 1.
State officials had estimated California would bank $175 million from excise and cultivation taxes by the end of June. But estimates released Tuesday by the state Legislative Analyst’s Office show just $34 million came in between January and March. …it’s unlikely California will reap $175 million by midyear.
And here are some excerpts from a KHTS story.
Governor Jerry Brown’s January budget proposal predicted that $175 million would pour into the state’s coffers from excise and cultivation taxes…analysts believe revenue will be significantly lower…
Some politicians argue high taxes are to blame for the revenue shortfalls preventing that prediction from becoming reality, saying the black market is “undercutting” the legal one. …The current taxes on legal marijuana businesses include a 15 percent excise tax on purchases of all cannabis and cannabis products, including medicinal marijuana. The law also added a $9.25 tax for every ounce of bud grown and a $2.75-an-ounce tax on dried cannabis leaves for cultivators.
These results should not have been a surprise.
I’ve been warning – over and over again – that politicians need to pay attention to the Laffer Curve. Simply stated, high tax rates don’t necessarily produce high revenues if taxpayers have the ability to alter their behavior.
That happens with income taxes. It happens with consumption taxes.
And it happens with taxes on marijuana.
Moreover, it’s not just cranky libertarians who make this point. Vox isn’t a site know for rabid support of supply-side economics, so it’s worth noting some of the findings from a recent article on pt taxes.
After accounting for substitution between products by consumers, we find that the tax-inclusive price faced by consumers for identical products increased by 2.3%. We find that the quantity purchased decreased by 0.95%…, implying a short-term price elasticity of -0.43.
However, over time, the magnitude of the quantity response significantly increases, and our estimates suggest that the price elasticity of demand is about negative one within two weeks of the reform. We conclude that Washington, the state with the highest marijuana taxes in the country, is near the peak of the Laffer curve – further increases in tax rates may not increase revenue. …tax revenue has historically been one of the many arguments in favour of legalising marijuana…the optimal taxation of marijuana should be designed to take into account responses…excessive taxation might prop up the very black markets that legal marijuana is intended to supplant. As additional jurisdictions consider legalising marijuana and debate over optimal policy design, these trade-offs should be explored and taken into account.
Let’s close by reviewing some interesting passages from a McClatchey report, starting with some observations about the harmful impact of excessive taxes.
Owners of legalized cannabis operations face a range of challenges… But taxes – local, state, federal – present a particular headache. They are a big reason why, in California and other states, only a small percentage of cannabis growers and retailers have chosen to get licensed and come out of the shadows.
…In a March report, Fitch Ratings suggested that California may not realize the tax revenue – $1 billion a year – the state projected when Proposition 64, a legalization initiative, was put before voters in 2016. “While it is still too early to assess California’s revenue performance, comparatively high taxes on legal cannabis will likely continue to divert sales to illegal markets, reducing potential tax collections,” Fitch said in its report. …Add it all up, and state-legal cannabis in some parts of California could be taxed at an effective rate of 45 percent, Fitch said in a report last year.
Interestingly, even politicians realize they need to adapt to the harsh reality of the Laffer Curve.
Some state lawmakers blame the taxation for creating a price gap between legal and illegal pot that could doom California’s regulated market. Last month, Assembly members Tom Lackey, R-Palmdale, and Rob Bonta, D-Oakland, introduced legislation, AB 3157, that would reduce the state marijuana sales tax rate from 15 percent to 11 percent, and suspend all cultivation taxes until June 2021.
And I can’t resist including one final passage that has nothing to do with taxes. Instead, it’s a reference to the lingering effect of Obama’s dreadful Operation Choke Point.
Davies owns Canna Care, a medical marijuana dispensary in Sacramento. Like other state-legal cannabis businesses nationwide, her pot shop operates largely with cash. Most banks won’t transact with enterprises deemed illegal by the U.S. government. That forces Davies to stuff $10,000 in bills into her purse each month… even lawyers who represent state-legal marijuana businesses face financial risks. Sacramento lawyer Khurshid Khoja recently lost his two bank accounts with Umpqua Bank, after Umpqua started asking him about his state-legal cannabis clients.
The good news is that Trump has partially eased this awful policy. The bad news is that he only took a small step in the right direction.
But let’s get back to our main topic. I’ve written several times on whether our friends on the left are capable of learning about the Laffer Curve. Especially in cases when they imposed a tax in hopes of changing behavior!
- The big drop in soda purchases after a tax on sugary drinks was imposed in Berkeley.
- The big drop in home sales after a tax was imposed in Vancouver on purchases by foreigners.
- The big drop in tobacco sales after a big increase in D.C.’s tobacco tax.
- The big drop in soda purchases after a tax was imposed in Philadelphia.
- The big drop in sales of high-end housing after a big tax was imposed in the United Kingdom.
- The big drop in soda sales after a big tax on sugary products in Mexico.
What’s happening in California with pot taxes is simply the latest example.
And I’m hoping leftists will apply the lesson to taxes on things that we don’t want to discourage – such as work, saving, investment, and entrepreneurship.
P.S. I’ve pointed out that some leftists want high tax rates on income even if no money is collected. That’s because their real goal is punishing success. I wonder if there are some conservatives who are pushing punitive marijuana taxes because they want to discourage “sin” rather than collect revenue.
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I find it interesting that liberals will impose a tax on something they dislike with the stated intention of reducing consumption — like taxes on soft drinks. Their goal is to reduce consumption, and they believe that increasing the cost by imposing a tax will accomplish that goal.
But when their goal is to increase revenue, suddenly they suppose that imposing a tax will NOT affect consumption.
It’s like they think that the effect of a law can be changed by simply wishing.
there is some frustration associated with discussing issues with the rules for radicals crowd… they appear more forceful and passionate in presenting their views… and generally they are more assertive… if libertarians or conservatives match their aggression…the media will attack them with some form of moral signaling… [trump called the ms 13 gang members animals… and was widely attacked by the Marxists and the legacy media for demeaning their humanity] so… libertarians and most conservatives tend to be civil… understated… and respectful in their presentations to the general public… nationally….the socialist democrats and Marxist are pro-active… while the RINOS and the republicans are meek and re-active… trump would never have been elected to the presidency if he had embraced traditional political double-speak… that smelly deplorable at Wal-Mart…[the one with his bible in his shirt pocket and his 1911 tucked in the small of his back…] he doesn’t understand political double speak very well… but it would be ill-advised to test his commitment to personal freedom…. or his resolve to preserve it…
California is in trouble… it has become a one party state… the socialist democrats are consolidating their power… and opposing viewpoints are being discouraged… shouted down or met with violence… antifa black shirts… roam the streets of university towns… rioting… destroying property and physically assaulting people with opposing views… the rule of law is being ignored by the sanctuary state government… particularly with regards to illegal aliens… elected officials are warning criminals of impending federal operations directed against them…. the state is in the early stages of a conversion to “21st century socialism”… the governor… Mr. moonbeam… condones this lawlessness in hopes it will help him consolidate power… and lead other states into the Marxist fold… freedom of speech… the right to bear arms… the presumption of innocence… the right to own property… all fading in the golden state…
Zorba:
“These property owners were basically preemptively accused of environmental violations relating to cannabis cultivation whether they grew cannabis or not, just because they owned land in a general marijuana growing area. They were then left to prove their innocence within a period of just a few weeks, or risk having liens being placed on their properties by the California Water Resources board for avoiding regulation for cannabis they never grew. “Assumed guilty, prove your innocence”.
these are basic procedures that were used in the 30’s to confiscate properties of value… or remove undesirables from their property… anyone who thinks this not happening in Mr. moonbeam’s California is naive … the Laffer curve? these Marxists don’t need no stinking laffer curve…………………………..
they are poised to gain control of the 5th largest economy in the world…
” the high price of tobacco has still been more effective than exhortation to stop smoking.”
The world was a better and also more libertarian when everyone smoked. Not saying that correlation is causation, but, I’d rather have smoking and liberty than no smoking and no liberty.
I’m not impressed at all with all the anti-tobacco hysteria. What sort of a hypocritical “libertarian” would support punitive tax rates just to hector and harass people who choose to smoke? Why not have a punitive tax on people who choose to consume libertarian literature?
Yeah, we Americans don’t have lots of imagination when it comes to naming cities. We just copy the names of existing cities around the globe. 🙂
Hello John Michael, I’m in Durham, Great Britain. Like the place of the same name in NC, it’s roughly half way up the east coast and then turn inland for a bit.
In australia, there is apparently a significant increase in the sale and use of illegal tobccco . Given the sngificant level of taxes on tobacco, that is no real surprise to an economist but a significant shock to stupid government. Even so , the high price of tobacco has still been more effective than exhortation to stop smoking.
Andrew – where are you located? I used to live in Malaysia. Interesting place.
The Laffer curve in action in Malaysia
http://www.aseantoday.com/2017/10/malaysia-has-only-itself-to-blame-for-its-booming-illicit-cigarette-trade/
Increase the tax on tobacco, and beyond a certain point, revenues will reduce. Also coming to Australia.
Taxes and their Laffer effect are indeed an issue, but I think the an equal if not greater issue is the regulatory costs.
The deep unelected regulatory state in California has imposed huge direct and indirect costs to cannabis supply.
To get an idea, visit this site to see just a portion of the whole regulatory tree.
http://www.trinitycounty.org/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=5018
There are application fees that can run several thousand dollars and environmental fees that can run tenths of thousands of dollars — per year. All these costs get passed on down the supply chain to the legal consumer.
I happen to know one person with property in the area (that’s how I came to know some of the details) and it seems that the deep regulatory state went even a step further and apparently leveled blanket accusations of environmental violations to virtually all owners of land in large areas just because their property was in regions where cannabis was often grown. These property owners were basically preemptively accused of environmental violations relating to cannabis cultivation whether they grew cannabis or not, just because they owned land in a general marijuana growing area. They were then left to prove their innocence within a period of just a few weeks, or risk having liens being placed on their properties by the California Water Resources board for avoiding regulation for cannabis they never grew. “Assumed guilty, prove your innocence”.
I think it is the regulatory costs more than the taxes that keeps cannabis production, distribution and consumption underground.
Regulatory costs are much more difficult to model and quantify but affect virtually all areas of economic activity, not just marijuana. Then a country loses its competitiveness and its worldwide prosperity rankings soon follow… but to statists it is all an unfair serendipitous mystery…
” jsolbakken. You don’t seem to realize that when you point a finger at someone else, at the same time you are pointing three fingers at yourself. So making such a pejorative statement simply rebounds on you.”
My purpose was not to gratuitously insult. What was on my mind was to employ General George S Patton’s slapping glove to the task of getting all of you rather naïve and gullible Libertarians to understand that The Left is not your friend, and that it makes more sense to try to talk a ravenous tiger out of eating you than to convince a ravenous Lefty not to tax you.
Ask not at whom the finger points; it points at thee. Stupid is as stupid does and there’s no getting around the fact that it’s stupid to expect Leftists to refrain from taxing. It deserves to be called stupid, even especially when it’s an otherwise presumably intelligent and influential fellow like Dan Mitchell.
Of course it’s possible that he was being sarcastic, but I’m on his list and I read everything he writes religious. I’m confident in accusing him of being unrealistic about the depravity of The Left.
> jsolbakken. You don’t seem to realize that when you point a finger at someone else, at the same time you are pointing three fingers at yourself. So making such a pejorative statement simply rebounds on you.
You are making yourself look three times as stupid…
“I’ve written several times on whether our friends on the left are capable of learning about the Laffer Curve. ”
Mr Mitchell, these sorts of statements are what make you look stupid, and I’m sorry for putting such a fine point on it. Our enemies on The Left are not interested in learning. If and when a person wants to learn to face reality, that person is forced to leave The Left. The Left, as such, is reprobate and incorrigible and there’s no reason for expecting anything from them as long as they are of The Left.
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