According to leftists like Bernie Sanders, European nations have wonderfully generous welfare states financed by high tax rates on the rich.
They’re partly right. There are very large welfare states in Europe (though I wouldn’t use “wonderfully” and “generous” to describe systems that have caused economic stagnation and high levels of unemployment).
But they’re wrong about how those welfare states are financed. Yes, tax rates on the rich are onerous, but not that much higher than in the United States. Instead, the big difference between America and Europe is that ordinary people pay much higher taxes on the other side of the Atlantic.
Indeed, I’ve previously cited Tax Foundation data showing that the United States arguably has the most “progressive” tax system in the developed world. Not because we tax the rich more, but simply because we impose comparatively modest burdens on everyone else.
And now we have some new evidence making the same point. Joseph Sternberg of the Wall Street Journal has some very sobering data on how the German tax system imposes a heavy weight on poor and middle-income taxpayers.
Europeans believe their tax codes are highly progressive, giving lower earners a break while levying significant proportions of the income of higher earners and corporations to fund generous social benefits. But that progressivity holds true only for direct taxes on personal and corporate income. Indirect taxes, such as the value-added tax on consumption and social-security taxes (disguised as “contributions”), are a different matter. The VAT disproportionately affects lower earners, who spend a higher proportion of their incomes. And social taxes tend to kick in at lower income levels than income taxes, and extract a higher and more uniform proportion of income. …if you look at the proportion of gross household income paid in all forms of tax, the rate varies by only 25 points. The lowest-earning 5% of households pay roughly 27% of their income in various taxes—mainly VAT—while a household in the 85th income percentile pays total taxes of around 52%, mostly in social-security taxes that amount to nearly double the income-tax bill.
Here’s a chart the WSJ included with the editorial.
As you can see, high payroll taxes and the value-added tax are a very costly combination.
And the rest of Europe is similar to Germany.
…Germany is not unique. The way German total revenues are split among income taxes, social taxes and the consumption tax is in line with the rest of Western Europe, as are its tax rates, according to OECD data. If other countries are more progressive than Germany, it’s only because Germany applies its second-highest marginal income-tax rate of 42% at a lower level of income than most.
Speaking of the OECD, here’s the bureaucracy’s data on the burden of government spending.
Germany is in the middle of the pack, with the public sector consuming 44 percent of economic output (Finland edges out France and Greece for the dubious honor of having the most expensive government).
The overall burden of the public sector is far too high in the United States, but we’re actually on the “low” side by OECD standards.
According to the data, total government spending “only” consumes 37.7 percent of America’s GDP. Only Ireland, Switzerland, and Latvia have better numbers (though my friend Constantin Gurdgiev explains we should be cautious about Irish economic data).
But I’m digressing. The point I want to emphasize is that punitive taxes on poor and middle-income taxpayers are unavoidable once politicians decide to impose a large welfare state.
Which is why I’m so inflexibly hostile to any tax increase, especially a value-added tax (or anything close to a VAT, such as the BAT) that would vacuum up huge amounts of money from the general population. Simply stated, politicians in Washington will have a hard time financing a bigger burden of government if they can only target the rich.
Sternberg makes the same point in his column.
Tax cuts have emerged as an issue ahead of Germany’s national election next month, with both major parties promising various timid tinkers… Not gonna happen. The VAT and social taxes are too important to the modern welfare state. The great lie is that there are a) enough “rich people,” b) who are rich enough, that c) taxing their incomes heavily enough can pay for generous health benefits and an old-age pension at 65. None of those propositions are true, and the third is especially wrong in an era of globally mobile capital and labor. That leaves the lower and middle classes, and taxes concealed in price tags or dolled up as “insurance contributions” to obscure exactly how much voters are paying for the privilege of their welfare states. …reform of the indirect taxes that impose such a drag on European economies awaits a more serious discussion about the proper role of the state overall.
Exactly.
There’s no feasible way to ease the burden on ordinary German taxpayers (or regular people in other European nations) unless there are sweeping reforms to reduce the welfare state.
And the moral of the story for Americans is that we better enact genuine entitlement reform if we don’t want to suffer the same fate.
P.S. If you don’t like German data, for whatever reason, I wrote last year about Belgium and made the same point about how a big welfare state necessarily means a bad tax system.
P.P.S. By the way, even the OECD admitted that European nations would grow faster if the burden of government was reduced.
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@V-MAX:
Absolutely right. Just heard in the news today that a record number of people applied for welfare in the third quarter in Germany. Almost all of them are new immigrants, many not even registered yet because authorities lost track of them as they were (and still are) flooding into the country.
“Merkel’s dream of replacing the aging German workforce goes up in flames as 2 million immigrants go on the dole.”
“Migrant Unemployment Hits Record High in Germany”
by Vijeta Uniyal
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/migrant-unemployment-hits-record-high-germany
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German intelligence predicts a large wave migrants will arrive in in Germany in second half of the year… the German government admits that 75% of these folks face long term unemployment and a life on welfare…….. from 5 to 10 years on welfare… add the additional costs of security… terrorism countermeasures… costs associated with follow-on migration…… and the German taxpayers are in for a rough ride… it’s good thing they are preoccupied with global warming…
If you want really big government spending, you have to tax the middle class. That’s where the big money is. The total pool of income for people making $50k to $200k is far larger than the pool of income income for people making more than $250k. Why? Because there are many more people in the first pool. There are not many Bill Gates!
This is why leftists who claim they can expand government by taxing the rich are either lying or ignorant.
I Europe, politicians and voters, having “Laffered out” the rich, had to turn on the middle and lower classes. With VAT and a host of other excise taxes on energy, cars, alcohol, tobacco etc.
These taxes are less visible and grew organically. They grew organically out of an electorate that dreams of a perpetual motion machine of prosperity — and thus has to fool itself by taking money from one of their pockets, losing a significant portion in the state overhead machine, and depositing the remainder in the other pocket. So once you are being stripped $5000 per year in energy taxes, you get a $1000 “warm winter” heating subsidy — and they’re stupid enough to be thankful.
In America, ordinary people are gradually falling into the same self-made net. First in California, then elsewhere.
The data from the German Institute for Economic Research (DIW) that you used to illustrate the huge social security bubble of the German society is not even complete. The DIW only used the most prominent taxes alongside social security contributions to make their point. There are far more government taxes, fees and “contributions” than shown in the chart.
Last month the German Taxpayers Association published a report about this very subject. And even they forgot to count a few government imposed taxes, fees and the like.
Let’s take a we’ll educated German worker at the Daimler automotive plant in Stuttgart (you know Mercedes cars). Daimler pays a very good wage. Let’s assume our worker has been working for Daimler for 15 years and is not married. He also has no children from any former relationship. His monthly wage slip will say something about €6,100 ($7,100 or so) but his paycheck will only read about €3,450 ($4,000).
But it doesn’t stop here. This was only income tax (lesser part of it) and social security. He has still not payed any VAT, property tax, insurance tax, car tax, dog tax (yes, that’s a thing), public broadcasting fees, tobacco tax (if he smokes), gas tax, electricity tax and many more taxes and fees.
He will end up with around 35 % of what he earns for himself. 35 %!!! But good news: As a family of four with a similar income you will have around 8 % more for your family.