This is the most depressing – but revealing – thing I have read in a long time: “the health-care sector has twice as many clerical workers as nurses and nine times as many as doctors.”
That passage is from a very good column by Robert Samuelson, in which he covers a lot of ground. He starts by expressing contempt for the demagogues attacking Congressman Ryan’s budget plan.
This predictably partisan reaction — preying upon the anxieties of retirees — must depress anyone who cares about the country’s future. It is only a slight exaggeration to say that unless we end Medicare “as we know it,” America “as we know it” will end. Spiraling health spending is the crux of our federal budget problem. In 1965 — the year Congress created Medicare and Medicaid — health spending was 2.6 percent of the budget. In 2010, it was 26.5 percent.
Demagoguery is part of politics, however, which is why I think proponents of reform are making a mistake by allowing the left to characterize this issue as a fight between the status quo and the Ryan plan. As Samuelson notes, there is no alternative to change. The only question is whether we will get consumer-oriented reform as proposed by Ryan or top-down rationing, as would be the case with Obama’s “death panel” approach.
Samuelson’s column also noted that the Congressional Budget Office is hardly a reliable source for cost estimates. I had a post yesterday discussing how the bureaucrats dramatically underestimate costs for new entitlement programs. Well, Samuelson points out that they also have a history of overestimating costs when looking at the impact of reforms that involve giving consumers some control over their health care spending.
CBO may be wrong. When a voucher system was adopted for Medicare’s new drug benefit, the CBO overestimated its costs by a third; the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services’ overestimate was 42 percent. When fundamental changes are made to a program, the green-eyeshade types can’t easily predict the results. Moreover, as health expert James Capretta notes, “managed care” plans in the Medicare Advantage program in 2010 did not have higher costs than Medicare’s fee-for-service for similar coverage. Under Ryan’s plan, incentives would shift. Medicare would no longer be an open ATM; the vouchers would limit total spending. Providers would face pressures to do more with less.
I don’t pretend to be an expert on healthcare, but I am firmly convinced that third-party payer is one of the big reasons for rising costs and pervasive inefficiency in the healthcare sector. When we buy goods and services with our own money, we try to get maximum value, and producers respond by trying to be efficient as possible.
In the healthcare sector, by contrast, we shop with other people’s money. Or, to be more technical, we shop in an environment where government policies result in us bearing very little out-of-pocket cost for each additional increment of health care.
As a result, we tend to be unconcerned with price. And producers respond accordingly. Here’s a rather long excerpt from a study mentioned in Samuelson’s column. Published by the National Bureau of Economic Research, it offers a neutral and dispassionate analysis of the healthcare market, but I think the information presented helps make the case that government intervention is a major problem.
In most industries, higher quality is associated with higher prices. That is not true in medical care, however, largely because of the public sector. Medicare accounts for 25 percent of physician and hospital services, and Medicaid accounts for another 13 percent. Since the 1960s, Medicare has paid providers on a fee-for-service basis, without reference to the quality of care delivered. Medicaid reimbursements are more flexible, but they are so low that many providers view Medicaid patients as effectively uninsured. As a result, about 40 percent of the market transmits incentives to provide more care but not more efficient care (Medicare) or to avoid patients who are sick (Medicaid). With so much of compensation pegged to volume, not value, inefficient care is the natural outcome. …The low level of service quality in health care is ironic given the enormous investment in non-clinical personnel. There are 9 times more clerical workers in health care than there are physicians, and twice as many clerical workers as registered nurses. This investment has not paid off in superior outcomes or better customer service, however. …Every analysis of medical care that has been done highlights the significant waste of resources in providing care. Consider a few examples: one study found that physicians spent on average of 142 hours annually interacting with health plans, at an estimated cost to practices of $68,274 per physician (Casalino et al., 2009). Another study found that 35 percent of nurses’ time in medical/surgical units of hospitals was spent on documentation (Hendrich et al., 2008); patient care was far smaller. …The obvious question about health care is why the market has not evolved to become more efficient. …who is the appropriate customer when payers consider care management. In retail trade, the customer is the individual shopper. If Wal-Mart finds a way to save money, it can pass that along to consumers directly. In health care, in contrast, the situation is more complex, since patients do not pay much of the bill out-of-pocket. Rather, costs are passed from providers to insurers to employers (generally) and on to workers as a whole. If this process is efficient, the system will act as if the individual is the real customer, since they are ultimately paying the bill. It may be, however, that the incentives get lost in the process, and efforts to innovate are not sufficiently rewarded. …About one-third of medical spending is not associated with improved outcomes, significantly cutting the efficiency of the medical system and leading to enormous adverse effects.
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Congress is stealing our (health care) tent Author: Marcy L. Zwelling-Aamot, M.D.
This article was published on July 22, 2009 in a local newspaper that covers the South Bay area of Southern California
Those of us actively involved in caring for patients every day know that the American health care system could use some major reforms. We spend far too much time justifying patients’ medical needs to the government or their insurer and too little time with our patients strategizing their medical opportunities and health investment.
America’s health care system saw a huge uptick in demand when Medicare began in 1965. The rules of Economics 101 could have forecast as much. Those same rules of human behavior continue to be the best predictor of most marketplaces, including health care. That is why I am baffled by the debate taking place in Congress and in the media.
It reminds me of a story about Tonto and the Lone Ranger. Tonto and the Lone Ranger go camping, pitch their tent, and climb inside and go to sleep. In the middle of the night, Tonto awakens and wakes up the Lone Ranger. He asks his friend to look at the sky and explain what he sees.
The Lone Ranger ponders for a minute. “Astronomically speaking, it tells me there are millions of galaxies and potentially billions of planets. Astrologically, it tells me that Saturn is in Leo. Time wise, it appears to be approximately a quarter past three in the morning. Theologically, the Lord is all-powerful and we are small and insignificant. Meteorologically, it seems we will have a beautiful day tomorrow.”
“What does it tell you?” he asks Tonto.
Tonto replies, “It tells me that someone stole our tent.”
The ongoing legislative debate is about lowering the cost of health care. But, what is the cost? What is health care? And how much is too much? I would offer that for some, a good pair of shoes is as preventive as a mammogram or a new mattress might be “preventive.” Moreover, preventive services have never been shown to save dollars in spite of the assumptions made by our Congress. Similarly, the “pay for performance” systems have only proven to be expensive and not lifesaving. They divert doctors away from the care and time that their individual patients need. While medicine is moving in the direction of individually-based care, the government is asking that we deliver population-based care directed from a government-appointed committee of theoretic experts.
How can we possibly expect Congress to correct a cost problem that exists mostly because our health care system is driven by first dollar coverage and “insurance” that is really a pre-paid discounted benefit plan (Medicare)? The system is sorely broken and bankrupt mostly because of government regulations and mandates and uncontrolled demand. Doctors are blamed for much of the abuse and they are not off the hook. Economics 101 would predict that any marketplace governed by third-party payments would be fraught with unfettered demand. Suppliers (in this case, doctors) who face a payment system that is fixed can only manage their bottom line by selling more. There is nothing in the current debate that would change that fact – nothing to correct the problem that exists because the patients cannot direct their own care.
If Americans want a system that works, it must be economically sound, and that can only happen if our patients have sufficient “skin in the game.” When doctors work for their patients, as is the case with plastic surgery, demand and supply drive price to an appropriate place. It is fascinating how many women can find a way to purchase an implant from a plastic surgeon that they trust and refer to their friends.
Catastrophic insurance should be affordable and available to every American as a means of securing their protection against the financial disasters associated with unpredicted illness or injury. That is the actuarial bet legitimately negotiated with all insurance purchases. Chronic care, on the other hand should be purchased in a transparent marketplace governed by patients’ demand.
Ironically, the HSA (health savings account) offered by private insurers has proven that economics 101 works (in this case) to decrease cost and offer appropriate care. Over 30 percent of those purchasing HSA-associated catastrophic insurance had no insurance when they entered the marketplace. And those already owning insurance who convert to an HSA plan use the emergency rooms less and govern the quality of their care. They are very happy with their medical care opportunities and continue to fund their HSA-privately-owned accounts. Good quality, value-based care can only be fueled by patient demand: demand that is driven by personal need and personal accountability. In spite of the success of HSA systems at lowering cost and increasing patient compliance with treatment programs, Congress has this program on the chopping block in its reform package.
While Congress is busily debating the utility of more mandates and regulations, and the astrological significance of a public plan, my patients’ lives are at stake. John Locke would observe the government to be stealing American citizens’ natural right to life, liberty and their personal pursuit of happiness. As my patients’ doctor and their advocate, I would ask that Congress leave our tent alone and allow my patients their rights of choice and self determination.
Marcy L. Zwelling-Aamot, M.D., practices internal medicine in Los Alamitos. She is also an emergency room physician and president of the Society for Innovative Medical Practice Design.
What I find interesting in this debate is the perpetual fixation on the decisions being made by the policy holders as being financially irresponsible due to lack of fiscal incentives, without the considerations of the insurance companies’ interest in dealing with, yet again, somebody else’s money. For insurance companies, every charge is weighed as the cost of dickering the price vs. Simply raising rates.
We all “know” that the rising costs of insurance the last few years are blamed on Obama/Romney care, but that knowledge is rarely positioned against the fact that insurance companies are also posting record profits. Nice to have a scapegoat, I guess.
Never is this discussion compared to what a single payer system would look like, such as England, Canada, and Germany, all of which sport drastically lower costs per person as well as longer life expectancies.
I would simply state that the USA has the worst possible combination of private and socialized systems: private when costs are low, when $50/month of blood pressure pills would solve a problem, but socialized when the pills aren’t taken (due to minor costs) and now a triple bypass costing $100,000 is necessary. In any event, the current system even after reform is sadly broken.
We even are already using a far more efficient system: Medicare. Why not make it an option for all?
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Daniel spends an inordinate amount of time picking on the UK’s National Health Service. There are blunders that happen in every hospital. After all, we are human and hospital personnel tend to become inured to suffering after seeing so much of it.
I agree with Daniel that 3rd party payment coupled with “usual and customary” and “fee for service” is a big driver in health care costs. But if you have no health insurance or a policy that only covers catastrophic illnesses as Daniel advocates, how does the individual go about finding competitive bids on a specific health care procedure?
Well, if you lived in the UK, you could go to this website to get competitive bids for private treatment. So in the UK you do have a choice: stick with the free service from the NHS or choose to go private.
One of the facts of the US health care system is that the more work the doctor goes through to get paid, the less the doctor is paid. Cash customers are charged the most (unless they can work a deal), and often have to pay the day of service. Private insurance pays a bit less and requires work to file claims. Medicare is less than that, and Medicaid is even less, with their own sets of rules to be followed.
The health care debate has also been framed in terms which encourage universal, government provided care. The debate is centered around getting people health “insurance”, not care. Politicians complain about the number of uninsured, not whether people have been unable to see a doctor. Thus, the debate begins with the assumption that individuals cannot pay a doctor out-of-pocket for services.
There certainly are people who cannot pay for a doctor, especially those with chronic problems who must take maintenance drugs. They are also a fairly high percentage of health care spending — five diseases account for over half of health care spending according to the head of Kaiser Permanente if I remember correctly.
Finally, health “insurance” today is not really insurance. It’s closer to a service contract or extended warranty. Most insurance only pays when an exceptional event occurs (car crash, home burns down, death). People often don’t make a claim against auto or home insurance over periods of many years.
Health coverage is different. It’s moved to paying everything. So we have the third party pay problem and a general lack of concern about costs. If I get a car repaired, I receive an estimate, and it’s often binding. If I need a medical procedure, I’m given a range of possible prices (e.g. from $500 to $1200).
The exception is medical costs which are not covered by insurance. For procedures like bariatric (weight loss) surgery, where insurance often doesn’t pay, doctors will quote a fixed fee.
So I agree with Mr. Mitchell — the problem is third party pay. If the government is to do anything in health care, it would be best to have the government consider a way to deal with expensive chronic care (the bulk of costs, and where people are labeled uninsurable), and return health insurance to “catastrophic” care with most people paying for their own physicals, etc.
Related to this, one of the moves in health care has been to have insurance pay for physicals and routine screening tests (mammography, colonoscopy, etc) on the theory that people are avoiding routine tests due to the cost. Have there been studies looking at whether people get a physical more often if insurance covers it or not?
I just read that the CBO hired an o crony and a obamarxcare supporter to work on the cost forecasts. Neither of them will respond to reporter’s questions.
I am sure this will instill faith in their projections. And, immediate acceptance of those projections by the lsm.
And one way Cigna (or any of them) saves money is by making it extremely complicated for doctors to get paid. That’s why there are more clerks than nurses.
“If Walmart finds savings, they can pass it on to customers” – true. But if Cigna finds a way to save money, they have no incentive to. Most of their customers are corporations, individuals don’t really have choice.
We need to decouple health insurance from employment, create exchanges and let the market work. I think that is where change should start, yet I never hear politicians talk about it. Would be an easy change.