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	<title>Comments on: George W. Cameron Wants to Repeal Partial Social Security Privatization in the United Kingdom</title>
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		<title>By: George Orwell Surely Would Be Amused by the Statolatry in the United Kingdom &#171; International Liberty</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 18:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] under Tory leadership. David Cameron is a vacuous statist, undermining the Conservative Party in the same way that George W. Bush eroded the brand name capital of the Republican [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] under Tory leadership. David Cameron is a vacuous statist, undermining the Conservative Party in the same way that George W. Bush eroded the brand name capital of the Republican [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The U.K.&#8217;s Upside-Down Approach to Crime: Shoot a Burglar, Go to Jail &#171; International Liberty</title>
		<link>http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2011/03/10/george-w-cameron-wants-to-repeal-partial-social-security-privatization-in-the-united-kingdom/#comment-38565</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The U.K.&#8217;s Upside-Down Approach to Crime: Shoot a Burglar, Go to Jail &#171; International Liberty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2012 17:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] supportive things about people having the right to self defense. I&#8217;ve hammered Cameron for undermining the U.K.’s system of personal retirement accounts, giving taxpayer money to statist environmental groups, increasing the capital gains [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] supportive things about people having the right to self defense. I&#8217;ve hammered Cameron for undermining the U.K.’s system of personal retirement accounts, giving taxpayer money to statist environmental groups, increasing the capital gains [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The United Kingdom Is Royally /*@#$&#38;;^%*( &#171; International Liberty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The United Kingdom Is Royally /*@#$&#38;;^%*( &#171; International Liberty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Cameron has undermined the U.K.’s system of personal retirement accounts. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Notwithstanding David Cameron&#8217;s Statolatry, Tax Avoidance Is Both Legal and Moral &#124; Cato @ Liberty</title>
		<link>http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2011/03/10/george-w-cameron-wants-to-repeal-partial-social-security-privatization-in-the-united-kingdom/#comment-29620</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Notwithstanding David Cameron&#8217;s Statolatry, Tax Avoidance Is Both Legal and Moral &#124; Cato @ Liberty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 20:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Cameron has undermined the U.K.&#8217;s system of personal retirement accounts. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Notwithstanding David Cameron Statolatry, Tax Avoidance Is Both Legal and Moral &#171; International Liberty</title>
		<link>http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2011/03/10/george-w-cameron-wants-to-repeal-partial-social-security-privatization-in-the-united-kingdom/#comment-29606</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Notwithstanding David Cameron Statolatry, Tax Avoidance Is Both Legal and Moral &#171; International Liberty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Cameron has undermined the U.K.&#8217;s system of personal retirement accounts. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Another Much-Needed Defense of Tax Competition and Tax Havens by a British Politician &#171; International Liberty</title>
		<link>http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2011/03/10/george-w-cameron-wants-to-repeal-partial-social-security-privatization-in-the-united-kingdom/#comment-21392</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Another Much-Needed Defense of Tax Competition and Tax Havens by a British Politician &#171; International Liberty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] sometimes make fun of the English, for reasons ranging from asinine laws to milquetoast politicians to horrid healthcare [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Christopher Heward</title>
		<link>http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2011/03/10/george-w-cameron-wants-to-repeal-partial-social-security-privatization-in-the-united-kingdom/#comment-9625</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Heward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 22:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My perception is that the UK on the whole has more intervention than the US economically (although I get the impression when it comes to agriculture and trade the US is quite interventionist) but the US has more social intervention.

Traditionally left wing parties are economically interventionist and socially libertarian, whilst right-wing parties are socially interventionist and economically libertarian. This has changed in the UK over the last 10 or 15, with Labour becoming socially more authoritarian (promoting ID Cards, CCTV cameras, longer detention of terror suspects), and in recent times Conservatives (particularly the younger ones) have to an increasing degree contested those changes, as well as softening their views on sexuality, drugs and prisons. This has led to the Labour Party being more authoritarian than the Conservatives on both economic and social policy. I very much like this as at least for each party it can be said that their views of the two spheres are relatively consistent with each other.

David Cameron would be one of the people that is more small-state than others, so I&#039;m surprised to hear some of your views, although that may be because those of us that are younger have grown up in the context of a Labour government. However, the Government&#039;s reforms of the NHS, the Education system and prisons, whilst in some cases only being an extension of Labour&#039;s direction of reform, are still significant in shrinking the size of the state.

With regards to the state pension reforms (announced in (slightly) more detail today - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12954888) they get rid of pension credit and replace it with a flat rate, which strengthens the incentive for private saving, so I don&#039;t see this as a move to the left. However I do have very grave concerns about the affordability. Indeed, I wonder whether, if I live to see 70 (I&#039;m 23 currently), there will even be a state, let alone a state pension, at the rate we are going.

But for me the trouble is that a lot of these moves are politically motivated, which is another reason why I disagree the assertion about David Cameron being leftist - I think he is just in a hard place with the electorate. With regards to pensions, the baby-boomers are such a large demographic and generally very likely to vote, so if you can reform pensions in a way beneficial to them you can increase your chances of re-election. With regards to the 50% rate, although people may move abroad as a result, in the grand scheme of things whilst they may take a lot of money abroad, they don&#039;t take many votes. As it is only on those above £150,000, this is almost equated to a tax on bankers, or generally the super-rich, and so most people are fine with it, and whilst not everyone would be up in arms if it was lowered from 50%, a significant number of swing voters, particularly younger ones, would see it as a tax break to the rich when the poor are having vital services withdrawn, which on its own would be unpopular. However, when you add to this that the Conservatives are still trying to shake the image of being heartless, desperate to &#039;destroy&#039; public services, and only there for the rich, this could have a damaging effect for them in the long-run too, years after the actual change.

I&#039;m sure the same could be said with regards to farm subsidies, trade barriers, etc. in the US, where any changes could lose a lot of votes, even if they would be more in-line with free-market management.

So perhaps it&#039;s not about ideology (and whilst that seems to be a dirty word now surely you at least need some?) but also about trying to win over the median voter too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My perception is that the UK on the whole has more intervention than the US economically (although I get the impression when it comes to agriculture and trade the US is quite interventionist) but the US has more social intervention.</p>
<p>Traditionally left wing parties are economically interventionist and socially libertarian, whilst right-wing parties are socially interventionist and economically libertarian. This has changed in the UK over the last 10 or 15, with Labour becoming socially more authoritarian (promoting ID Cards, CCTV cameras, longer detention of terror suspects), and in recent times Conservatives (particularly the younger ones) have to an increasing degree contested those changes, as well as softening their views on sexuality, drugs and prisons. This has led to the Labour Party being more authoritarian than the Conservatives on both economic and social policy. I very much like this as at least for each party it can be said that their views of the two spheres are relatively consistent with each other.</p>
<p>David Cameron would be one of the people that is more small-state than others, so I&#8217;m surprised to hear some of your views, although that may be because those of us that are younger have grown up in the context of a Labour government. However, the Government&#8217;s reforms of the NHS, the Education system and prisons, whilst in some cases only being an extension of Labour&#8217;s direction of reform, are still significant in shrinking the size of the state.</p>
<p>With regards to the state pension reforms (announced in (slightly) more detail today &#8211; <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12954888" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12954888</a>) they get rid of pension credit and replace it with a flat rate, which strengthens the incentive for private saving, so I don&#8217;t see this as a move to the left. However I do have very grave concerns about the affordability. Indeed, I wonder whether, if I live to see 70 (I&#8217;m 23 currently), there will even be a state, let alone a state pension, at the rate we are going.</p>
<p>But for me the trouble is that a lot of these moves are politically motivated, which is another reason why I disagree the assertion about David Cameron being leftist &#8211; I think he is just in a hard place with the electorate. With regards to pensions, the baby-boomers are such a large demographic and generally very likely to vote, so if you can reform pensions in a way beneficial to them you can increase your chances of re-election. With regards to the 50% rate, although people may move abroad as a result, in the grand scheme of things whilst they may take a lot of money abroad, they don&#8217;t take many votes. As it is only on those above £150,000, this is almost equated to a tax on bankers, or generally the super-rich, and so most people are fine with it, and whilst not everyone would be up in arms if it was lowered from 50%, a significant number of swing voters, particularly younger ones, would see it as a tax break to the rich when the poor are having vital services withdrawn, which on its own would be unpopular. However, when you add to this that the Conservatives are still trying to shake the image of being heartless, desperate to &#8216;destroy&#8217; public services, and only there for the rich, this could have a damaging effect for them in the long-run too, years after the actual change.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the same could be said with regards to farm subsidies, trade barriers, etc. in the US, where any changes could lose a lot of votes, even if they would be more in-line with free-market management.</p>
<p>So perhaps it&#8217;s not about ideology (and whilst that seems to be a dirty word now surely you at least need some?) but also about trying to win over the median voter too.</p>
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